POTC 4 spoiler alert

[Midhav]

Um... read the the Pirates of the Caribbean Encyclopedia (*****)... It clearly states that Queen Anne's Revenge's flag that you saw, was actually Eduardo Villuenelva's flag. Go to Edward Teach's page on that ***** and see for yourself. They are reliable sources and their source is from "The Secret Files of the East India Trading Company". See it and then come 'n tell me savvy?

[The Skirata Clan]

Both flags are in. Not just Villanueva. And keep in mind that all sorts of wikis are editable and have no facts or citations to support their info... And I read that page. And it has so many fake info in it. Like Teach's daughter and him rescuing his ship.

[Midhav]

What do you mean Teach's daughter is fake? She's one of the leading characters for the 4th film, check on ANY site. The part in his background where it talks about him escaping with his daughter Angelica is not intended as a historical fact. I just went to one of the talk pages on that wiki (Edward Teach, PotC4 or something else).. where my fellow users there (yes I'm one of the users) were discussing about the same thing. They gave these two comparisons:
*In real life, Edward Teach had 14 wives
*In the Pirates series Edward Teach has 14 wives and one daughter.
I don't get what "rescuing his ship" you're talking about, so please tell me (sorry)
Anyway, I'll just consult a few people on it, but I'm pretty sure that the reference would be to either "The Secret Files of the East India Trading Company" OR "Pirates of the Caribbean:The Complete Visual Guide". But what makes YOU so certain that Blackbeard came in the third film? The story about OST is that Ed and his daughter has been hiding in the Inlet for many years (or a few) and now want to come out to find the Fountain of Youth, as I have read in some sites.

[Kraken Guard]

Originally Posted by Midhav

Well if it were Curse of the Black Pearl till now, and if they said that Davy Jones were to come in the next PotC film, you'd say the same about Hector Barbossa not being there LOL. You'll just have to wait for the 4th movie and see... They're going to make a NASTY villain out of Blackbeard, according to Jerry Bruckhemier.

I dont care if Blackbeard will be a nasty villain. It's not going to be the same! I've said it before and i'll say it again: The reason why people hate sequels so much is because they lack the original villain(Even though Jolly Roger and Davy Jones weren't in the first movie). For me, when Davy Jones died, so did the trilogy. Davy Jones was Pirates of the Caribbean to me

Dont care about Beckett though. He was flatter then flat.


Same goes for Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann.. They wont be in the movie, it is not going to be the same. Same also goes for Pintel and Regetti, even though im not sure if they will return or not (I read that they wont)

[Chimera Doll]

I understand how it's not gonna be the same and I totally get why people are not gonna like that...but the positive side is it won't be the same old same old. Change can be a good thing, and I'm overall glad it will be different since Will and Elizabeth's story is over with. At least that is what I have read.

Also, Blackbeard's daughter Angelica is defiantly going to be in the movie. For an official movie site, check out Internet Movie Database. She is listed on there, therefore I know it's official.

[The Skirata Clan]

Originally Posted by Midhav

What do you mean Teach's daughter is fake? She's one of the leading characters for the 4th film, check on ANY site. The part in his background where it talks about him escaping with his daughter Angelica is not intended as a historical fact. I just went to one of the talk pages on that wiki (Edward Teach, PotC4 or something else).. where my fellow users there (yes I'm one of the users) were discussing about the same thing. They gave these two comparisons:
*In real life, Edward Teach had 14 wives
*In the Pirates series Edward Teach has 14 wives and one daughter.

Precisely my point. They are taking a Real Pirate and just nonchalantly changing his history. They are just rewriting someone history. That is what I meant about fictitious characters and how great job POTC did by not including any real pirates. He was married once. Before going back to piracy. I have done research about the life of Blackbeard. Imagine if they included George Washington's Evil Twin Emil Washington.

Originally Posted by Midhav

I don't get what "rescuing his ship" you're talking about, so please tell me (sorry)
Anyway, I'll just consult a few people on it, but I'm pretty sure that the reference would be to either "The Secret Files of the East India Trading Company" OR "Pirates of the Caribbean:The Complete Visual Guide". But what makes YOU so certain that Blackbeard came in the third film? The story about OST is that Ed and his daughter has been hiding in the Inlet for many years (or a few) and now want to come out to find the Fountain of Youth, as I have read in some sites.

You are obviously talking about fiction I am definitely not. I am talking about facts.

And his flag is in the 3rd film. Don't believe me? Then just go watch it. They used real pirate flags.

[Captain Jason]

I just hought of this for no real reason, but isn't Barboss technically in all of them?

[Midhav]

Originally Posted by The Skirata Clan

Precisely my point. They are taking a Real Pirate and just nonchalantly changing his history. They are just rewriting someone history. That is what I meant about fictitious characters and how great job POTC did by not including any real pirates. He was married once. Before going back to piracy. I have done research about the life of Blackbeard. Imagine if they included George Washington's Evil Twin Emil Washington.

So with me being an editor there, I thought I;ll ask you because of your statement. Should the mentioned story about his daughter Angelica come under a title Fictional History?

Originally Posted by The Skirata Clan

You are obviously talking about fiction I am definitely not. I am talking about facts.

And his flag is in the 3rd film. Don't believe me? Then just go watch it. They used real pirate flags.

Yes. What I meant was that in the 3rd movie, the flag which we saw of Blackbeard's was actually that of Eduardo Villuenelva. I remember seeing a section that when this flags' scene appeared in the trailer, many users claimed that Blackbeard was coming to the movie, and the section said, "However this was revealed to be Villuenelva's flag". Okay now I did not tell you this: A user on that same site gave me the ORIGINAL script for PotC3 by uploading it for a day. In that very script, Blackbeard and Anne Bonny DO appear as Pirate Lords. But this idea was scrapped as they probably wanted to do something with them in Future. Blackbeard in this script starts a fight with Capitaine Chevalle because the latter had given Lord Beckett his piece of eight years ago in a game of... well some Chinese game. And Teach was removed from the script. Again as I said, Teach's fictional background story was that he was in hiding during Lord Beckett's
War Against Piracy. Then how could he come during AWE? He was in hiding because he was old. And again as I said, the fact that Teach's flag that we saw was actually Villuenelva's flag, is taken from one of the two books I mentioned. BUT I will have confirm about this with a user, and I will get back to you on that okay? BUT again, both of us will have to wait for the 4th movie for an official confirmation on his background (i.e, if he mentions anything about hiding or his involvement in the War)

Regards--- Midhav

[Midhav]

Originally Posted by Kraken Guard

I dont care if Blackbeard will be a nasty villain. It's not going to be the same! I've said it before and i'll say it again: The reason why people hate sequels so much is because they lack the original villain(Even though Jolly Roger and Davy Jones weren't in the first movie). For me, when Davy Jones died, so did the trilogy. Davy Jones was Pirates of the Caribbean to me

Dont care about Beckett though. He was flatter then flat.


Same goes for Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann.. They wont be in the movie, it is not going to be the same. Same also goes for Pintel and Regetti, even though im not sure if they will return or not (I read that they wont)

Aye many people have different ways of starting a series, and as for you it was with Davy Jones (though most people would go for Jack-Will-Liz-Hector lol). Davy Jones was definitely a character I could connect with, and the only villain I have done so with (other than Barbossa). He was tyranny as a result of a tragic love, and when he died saying "Calypso", I myself asked my father whether he was coming back, and that's how sad I felt for him... and like you said, comparatively Beckett is a flat character. I HATED Beckett when i saw the movie the first time... For how he treated Jones.

Now saying that, let me come to the reason why I like Beckett. He was flat, yes, he was a character who I didn't even feel sad about. When his death scene came I just said "Ooh mesmerizing C.G.I." and probably "I hope he's learned his lesson". Beckett was this character who was sadistic, narcissistic, and who possessed a genocidal hate of pirates which resulted in him destroying all men, women and children who were convicted of associating with piracy. He didn't care for the lives of anyone around him and he was always this mysterious character. Mysterious because, when you look at him his face is just blankly staring at you, trying to take up Machiavellian ways of manipulation. He was meant to signify the darkness of Imperialism and his manipulation which made him control the seas was just evil. And evil because it was 1. just for good business and 2. for eradication of people he just despised for no particular reason (some history to that). Also, his lines... his lines were AMAZING. How he handled situations was said in his lines, and if you looked at his lines a bit closer you can see something else intended. For example that scene, where Liz threatens Cutler with a pistol... He clearly stated that he knew about what happened in Isla de Muerta the previous year and that was something really strange. "Ah, I see. You think the compass leads only to the Isla de Muerta, and so you hope to save me from an evil fate. But you mustn't worry: I care not for cursed Aztec gold, my desires are not so provincial. There's more than one chest of value in these waters…So perhaps you may wish to enhance your offer." He knew about the Curse of Cortes and the Dead Man's Chest of all things. When the film came I expected him to cower in fear at the sight of the King of the Seas, but he in fact reduced Jones to tears. And in Pirates Online, he made a multinational company join hands with a leader of Undead pirates who swarmed the Caribbean, and betrayed him when he saw the right time for it, even snubbing the Casa's efforts to destroy the Company. I treat Beckett as one of my favourite villains, because other than this, he was like... Lex Luthor? A man limited to his small human body, and powerful mind, to control over something FAR bigger. He and the Joker are a tie in my top villains. Lord Cutler Beckett symbolizing Imperialism, Industrailization and Tyranny. The Joker signifies Anarchy, Philosophy and pure madness. The exact opposites. They have one thing in common though- Psychological Manipulation. They both lie below my all time favourite Dark Lord - Sauron. Maybe even below Emperor Palpatine. You like Maleficent don't you? I somehow found your page on Youtube. Maleficent was someone I was really awed and scared about 10 years ago when I was 5-ish.

But coming back to Pirates of the Caribbean. For me Pirates is about... Jack Sparrow and Hector Barbossa.... Lord Beckett, Davy Jones, Sao Feng, Will-Liz (okay, I don't hate them), James Norrington, Guv Swann... They're just one of those characters who'll come and go... It's only about Jack and Hector to me. But I shouldn't forget Gibbs and Pintel-Ragetti (sad that this duo isn't coming)...