A word about "rep-stealing"...

[Edward Edgemenace]

Originally Posted by Dog Firestack

One thing about not being able to boot for actual real sailing. They MIGHT I repeat MIGHT not do it because of people misusing it. They might just boot off everybody they sea or if they get some full royals they boot off everybody on the ship so they just wasted their time. This might be the ONLY reason why they won't do this, or they're just lazy to hit a fwe buttons to let it happen.

I agree - they might not do it because of those fears. Yet those same fears have not played out in privateering.

[My2Cents]

I have heard these type of "issues" in many other online games. Wizard 101, for example. To Quest in that game, you usually are tasked to defeat X number of baddies. But then some other beastlord level 50 comes in a cremates the baddies before you even pick your spell/weapon. Rep/XP stealing. That is annoying. But in PotCO, I believe since it is possible to double team on a stronger baddy, we pirates should take advantage of that. Two level 15's can probably take down a level 19 and such. They both get the Rep Points. We must take baby steps. The newcomers/noobs will level quite quickly if the higher levels allow them to double team on more difficult bad guys. Then, when they are high enough level to fend for themselves, we let them go. Only THEN, may we higher levels politely ask the noobs to please leave us alone. If they deny, well, simply train somewhere else. It is as simple as that.

[Edward Edgemenace]

"Simply train somewhere else" would be viable, if you could switch servers and remain on the out island. (E.g. Kingshead, Tormenta.)

[Red Nations]

Does get annoying after doing 8 or 10 server changes to find a spot where you can work a boss alone. This after passing up several places that were allready occupied by individuals or groups leveling and treasure hunting. In this case it was Darkheart. And within five minutes after finding a server where I had him all to myself someone else shows up, has a bunch of their friends TP in and takes over.

[magicmarbels]

My sentiments are "SO WHAT!" Thats what the game is all about. This is the most offensive term used by this forum and players in game. I pay and you pay.Get Over IT!

[David Stormrage]

How is it rep stealing if you get a REP BONUS for 2 people attacking at the same time?

[The Skirata Clan]

If you are within a crew yes.

[Sven Osymthe]

You don't get a bonus unless you are in a crew, even then you still have a good chance of getting reduced rep.

Here is just a example I came up with regarding rep. Assume that pirate 1 (P1) is level 40, pirate 2 (P2) is level 30, enemy 1 (E1) is level 40, and enemy 2 (E2) is level 30. Now for rep, high (H), medium (M), low (L).

P1 + E1 = H for P1
P1 + P2 + E1 = M for P1, H for P2
P2 + E1 = H for P2, as well as possible death

P1 + E2 = M for P1
P1 + P2 + E2 = L for P1, M for P2
P2 + E1 = H for P2

If you notice, the pirate who can't kill the higher level enemy alone always gains medium to high rep. However, the pirate who can kill both enemies alone gains high rep by himself, but when the other player joins in, he gains less rep.

Now, it doesn't seem fair that the higher level player is receiving less rep. If you see, when both pirates fight an enemy alone, they gain medium to high rep. If they are both in a crew, soloing enemies in the same area will give them even more rep!

[Ofury/ Tom]

from what i've read so far is from ppl obbsessed with getting rep i really have no care in the world if someone comes to attack an enemy with me its a MULTI player game theres going to be others out there if you have problems with that. i have just a few words for ya...



GET A SINGLE PLAYER GAME!

reading these posts are fun everyone has their own reasons but the big one in flashing lights screaming at ya hasn't been touched if you'd like enmies all to your one some what in the world are you doing on a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER game? now what about if your guild teleports and attacks the enemy? do you freak out and call them rep stealers?!?!? i don't think so. just because you don't know someone and they come and attack the smae enemy your attacking means you can be mad and call them rep stealers...

I'd like to quote my good friedns the Host GMs if you ask them to be your friend they say "I am friends with everyone no need to keep a list" Why can't we all be friends and attack the enemies together? just to get my point across this is a multiplayer game ya know?


oh and another thing take into mind the pirates song....
WE Pilliage WE plunder
its not
I Pillage I plunder

[Dan_OB]

Before I say anything else I want to point out that I don't worry about rep stealing and such on A servers in particular and busy servers in general. In busy areas it is unreasonable to expect an enemy all to yourself. On quiet servers its a whole different ballgame. If a person or a group of people go to the trouble of tpng to a quiet server and finding a place away from others to play maybe they don't want you imposing yourself on therm. That should be respected. There are always plenty of quiet servers in this game so there are plenty of enemies to go around. No need to horn in on enemies that others are fighting. So all my comments here are assuming that the players are on quiet servers.

from what i've read so far is from ppl obbsessed with getting rep i really have no care in the world if someone comes to attack an enemy with me its a MULTI player game theres going to be others out there if you have problems with that. i have just a few words for ya...

GET A SINGLE PLAYER GAME!

The fact that this is a a massive multiplayer game is no excuse for disregarding the feelings and game experience of others, in fact it is all the more reason to do your best to be courteous and respectful of others and let them level without undermining their efforts. Whats so hard about asking to join in? Whats so hard about saying "I need to kill some enemies that are too tough for me to handle alone, would you help me?" And whats so hard about fighting your own enemies instead of forcing yourself on others? If you can't do these things then you are the one that needs to GET A SINGLE PLAYER GAME, not those of us who choose to help others get rep rather then steal it from them. In single player games you can attack any enemy you want without being a detriment to others' enjoyment of the game.

if you'd like enmies all to your one some what in the world are you doing on a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER game?

Just because someone likes to play solo from time to time doesn't mean that they don't like to play with others as well, but when and if they do want to play solo they have the right to do so and no one has the right to take that away from them.

now what about if your guild teleports and attacks the enemy?

We don't do that in our guild. If say a new member where to do that I or another officer would explain to them that they need to ask to tp to others and they should not attack an enemy some one else is fighting without asking. If they continue in this behavior then they leave the guild. No yelling needed.

just because you don't know someone and they come and attack the smae enemy your attacking means you can be mad and call them rep stealers...

No they shouldn't get mad, its a game, not worth it. Also if you don't know someone you should talk to them before imposing yourself on them just common sense and common courtesy.

I'd like to quote my good friedns the Host GMs if you ask them to be your friend they say "I am friends with everyone no need to keep a list"

ROFL - thats a wonderful way to blow someone off without actually saying " no you can't be my friend." I'll have to remember it.

Why can't we all be friends and attack the enemies together? just to get my point across this is a multiplayer game ya know?

Hate to spoil your Kumbaya moment but just because it is a multiplayer game doesn't mean that everyone is required to play with all other players at all times. Everyone is free to choose who they play with and no one is required to play with anyone else.

[Sven Osymthe]

I think Dan_OB summed that up. If someone went through the trouble of going to a quiet area, other players should respect that, and go to another area themselves (or at least ask if they could join). If you're on a busy server though (which the rep "obsessed" people here more then likely were not), the rep stealing conversation doesn't belong.

I just wanted to add, just because this is a multiplayer game, that doesn't mean people are required to play together. An MMO pretty much means there are a lot of players in the game, it doesn't restrict them to certain playing styles. Saying that rep stealing is okay simply because this is a multiplayer game is pretty much saying it's okay for my level 50 pirate to kill everything in a crowded Fort Charles. That's not really considerate to other players.

On top of what's already said, other than rep, what other reason is there for someone to jump in on another player's fighting? If they want a quest done quicker, they could easily go to a busy server. Same deal with loot. As for rep, they can clearly earn more solo. Oh well.

This really relates to the "Are people getting ruder?" thread. There is a person behind every pirate, and each and every one of them deserves respect. Players should respect each others playing styles, as well as refrain from rude behavior to others.

[7seconds]

What Dan said is pretty good. This could be a subject of people getting rufer or having to much pride.

Also the only time I see rep stealing is when sa low level, lets say like a level 15 or lower is following me around on tormenta and attacking every enemy after I get in a few hits. It just get annoying, but other than that I dont really have a problem with people attacking the enemy(s) Im fighting.

[Ofury/ Tom]

maybe those people you see "rep stealing" is possibly a younger player who cannot type very well and just wanted to fight an enemy with you big bad pirates.... IK someone in fact that does do that a relative too young to type but enjoys fighting with others..


And my answers are baised because i've been around for a long time and still no mastered pirates i'm not obbessed with rep i just enjoy the game like i did way back when... I don't remember as many fights and conflicts back then...

Aren't we all here because we enjoy Pirates Of the Carribean Online? Ik thats why i'm here... I'm not here to see who can lvl a pirate teh fastest. I'm not here to master out all my pirates alone and finish up the game so that i can demand new content because i've already finished it all.

Now 7seconds think about that there lvl 15.... hes a weak little guy in tormenta surronded by all these high lvls he can't beat Then he sees this strong pirate over lvl 40 i would assume and he thinks "Hey maybe i can finally beat that lvl 50 captian there" Those guys can't just go get a different enemy because they are too low of a lvl. and more than likely these 'rep stealers' you guys are talking about are 4 year olds trying out a pirates online game.

[7seconds]

Originally Posted by Ofury/ Tom

Now 7seconds think about that there lvl 15.... hes a weak little guy in tormenta surronded by all these high lvls he can't beat Then he sees this strong pirate over lvl 40 i would assume and he thinks "Hey maybe i can finally beat that lvl 50 captian there" Those guys can't just go get a different enemy because they are too low of a lvl. and more than likely these 'rep stealers' you guys are talking about are 4 year olds trying out a pirates online game.

Just like the other people said. A level 15 should know he dosent belong in or around tormenta, there are other places he can level up, he just wants to get rep by riding my coat tails, and well since I didnt do that when I first played the game (late 2007) im not letting him do that either.

Originally Posted by WitchdoctorDan View Post
I use a much more devious approach. If some very low level pirate comes along and engages in rep-stealing, I inform them that it is generally frowned upon. If they do something annoying, such as continuing to rep-steal, calling me a noob or something else, or anything of the like, I usually help them so their confindence is built up and stand on the sidelines and watch them get knocked out by a Brinescum! Then laugh at them while they scream "REVIVE" This always works in Tormenta!

Thats the same thing I do.

[Captain Del]

And my answers are baised because i've been around for a long time and still no mastered pirates i'm not obbessed with rep i just enjoy the game like i did way back when... I don't remember as many fights and conflicts back then...

You don't have to be obsessed with rep to find others leeching off the enemies you are trying to get by yourself annoying.

Aren't we all here because we enjoy Pirates Of the Carribean Online? Ik thats why i'm here... I'm not here to see who can lvl a pirate teh fastest. I'm not here to master out all my pirates alone and finish up the game so that i can demand new content because i've already finished it all.

See my statement above.

Now 7seconds think about that there lvl 15.... hes a weak little guy in tormenta surronded by all these high lvls he can't beat Then he sees this strong pirate over lvl 40 i would assume and he thinks "Hey maybe i can finally beat that lvl 50 captian there" Those guys can't just go get a different enemy because they are too low of a lvl. and more than likely these 'rep stealers' you guys are talking about are 4 year olds trying out a pirates online game.

Why should a level 15 be there in the first place? If I ever saw a level 15 in Tormenta, I'd simply tell them that it was too dangerous for them here, and maybe hea;/revive them in they get attacked. Of course, the second time, I won't be as generous with my tonics. Hey, they need to learn one way or another.