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Swash · #1 06-03-2008, 08:38 PM

we all know in the 3rd movie elizabeth was voted pirate king ( cough ) (cough ) ( untill i became a pirate) but shes a woman she cant be a king because of that queen she is really pirate QUEEN i'm not going against a certain gender but queen means female ruler and king means male ruler do u all see where i'm going

Dr. Zeppers · #2 06-03-2008, 09:27 PM

I nominate Swashbuckler for Pirate Jester!

j/k Swash...

You do realize that it was something that was "voted" upon, and not self-appointed.. right?

Swash · #3 06-03-2008, 09:30 PM

yea i know but she should be called pirate queen

Nathaniel Wolfson · #4 06-03-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swashbuckler

we all know in the 3rd movie elizabeth was voted pirate king ( cough ) (cough ) ( untill i became a pirate) but shes a woman she cant be a king because of that queen she is really pirate QUEEN i'm not going against a certain gender but queen means female ruler and king means male ruler do u all see where i'm going

Actually, "king" is a title. It's not truly gender-specific. There are historical precedents for female rulers using male titles.

Dr. Zeppers · #5 06-03-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel Wolfson

Actually, "king" is a title. It's not truly gender-specific. There are historical precedents for female rulers using male titles.

On that note, Egypt had several female "kings".

Swash · #6 06-03-2008, 11:02 PM

well as far as i know king was ment for males but it really doesnt matter

Ferrex The Scurvy · #7 06-03-2008, 11:19 PM

King in its common usage does generally refer to male monarchs. But the origins of the word and its usage are not really gender specific, at least according to the Online Etymology Dictionary:

king

O.E. cyning, from P.Gmc. *kuninggaz (cf. Du. koning, O.H.G. kuning, O.N. konungr, Dan. konge, Ger. könig). Possibly related to O.E. cynn "family, race" (see kin), making a king originally a "leader of the people;" or from a related root suggesting "noble birth," making a king originally "one who descended from noble birth." The sociological and ideological implications make this a topic of much debate. Finnish kuningas "king," O.C.S. kunegu "prince" (Rus. knyaz, Boh. knez), Lith. kunigas "clergyman" are loans from Gmc. In O.E., used for names of chiefs of Anglian and Saxon tribes or clans, then of the states they founded. Also extended to British and Danish chiefs they fought. The chess piece so called from 1411; the playing card from 1563; use in checkers/draughts first recorded 1820. Applied in nature to species deemed remarkably big or dominant (e.g. king crab, 1698),

piratefan71495 · #8 06-05-2008, 07:36 PM

Their Pirates they don't care about gender titles...
They make their own rules. =)

Swash · #9 06-11-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferrex The Scurvy

King in its common usage does generally refer to male monarchs. But the origins of the word and its usage are not really gender specific, at least according to the Online Etymology Dictionary:

king

O.E. cyning, from P.Gmc. *kuninggaz (cf. Du. koning, O.H.G. kuning, O.N. konungr, Dan. konge, Ger. könig). Possibly related to O.E. cynn "family, race" (see kin), making a king originally a "leader of the people;" or from a related root suggesting "noble birth," making a king originally "one who descended from noble birth." The sociological and ideological implications make this a topic of much debate. Finnish kuningas "king," O.C.S. kunegu "prince" (Rus. knyaz, Boh. knez), Lith. kunigas "clergyman" are loans from Gmc. In O.E., used for names of chiefs of Anglian and Saxon tribes or clans, then of the states they founded. Also extended to British and Danish chiefs they fought. The chess piece so called from 1411; the playing card from 1563; use in checkers/draughts first recorded 1820. Applied in nature to species deemed remarkably big or dominant (e.g. king crab, 1698),

they might want to revise that in english

Dr. Zeppers · #10 06-11-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Swashbuckler

they might want to revise that in english

Not to argue, but it was.
It basically is how the etymology of a word is typically defined

This describes the origin of the word, indicating that its origin was not gender specific, as it was applied in a broader range, for example "one of noble birth" which could be a male or female.