Guilds Under Attack?

[Cannonfury]

In the last week 3 guilds: Darkside demons, The Guardians and Coastal pirates were attacked. They all have over 200 that were booted. Just letting you all know to be careful who you guild and who you make an officer.




savage hearts was also attacked earlier but is not related to these 3 attacks

[Eliza Creststeel]

This is why the Elite Thievery Company has the system it has for promotion.

You aren't even considered a full member until you've been with us for two weeks. Then, you can be promoted to Petty Officer by Officer vote. And the Petty Officer rank is not a Full POTCO Officer.

Only have the second promotion can you get full rank.

So, a member in our guild will often have to be with us up to a month and most sabotuers won't wait.

THIS IS THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR GIVING AWAY PROMOTIONS IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST JOIN YOUR GUILD - LEARN THE LESSONS OF THE GUILDS ABOVE - DON'T GIVE AWAY PROMOTIONS

[Sven Osymthe]

As Eliza said, promotions should only be given to people who have been there for a while, or are very well trusted. However, I don't think that was the case here (as a trusted officer could of done it, or someone got hacked, etc.)

The bottom line though, its pathetic that people have to resort to this (especially to one of the guilds listed, as it has had this happen numerous times). Good luck to all the members, and hopefully they can find their way back home.

[joere444]

Yeah it's a problem, i mean my old guild Darbodean Fury had a problem with that one time and that was it. I was booted by an officer but there was no one else booted other then me so yeah. Now our guildmaster is never on and he's supposedly in haiti so now I'm in another guild called Dreams of fire so yeah.

[Captain Del]

Being myself, a former victim of a crashing (not in PNC, a much older guild of mine,) I know what its like to go through it. I am deeply disheartened to hear this happen, especially for one of the guilds listed, as I know this has happened to them in the past.

Its downright childish for pirates to harm other guilds. Really, are you trying to hurt them for revenge, for satisfaction? Your victory is just a lose shrouded in anger. Seriously, grow up and enjoy the game.

THIS IS THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR GIVING AWAY PROMOTIONS IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST JOIN YOUR GUILD - LEARN THE LESSONS OF THE GUILDS ABOVE - DON'T GIVE AWAY PROMOTIONS

I'm sure that careless action is not behind the crashing. I know these guilds are quite well established, and I'm sure they wouldn't just hand out promotions.

All I can say is best of luck to all of those pirates who came online without a home. Your guild is still your home, and I'm sure they are leaving you a big trail of breadcrumbs so you can come back. I only hope you recover as soon as possible. Best of luck, mates

[william kid]

My guild suffered the same problem, the ones who didnt get booted ( officers ) then got mad at the GM for making it to easy to become an officer. This caused even more to leave. The Gm then made all new members officers so he had sole power to boot as a prevenative to this happening again this made his officers that had been there from the start mad and even more left. Not sure what the solution is but a time limit would stop the people that are doing it for sport. I will say when it happened I was surpirsed by how fast some of the "faithful" people jumped on the linch mob and started pulling people out to start ther own guilds. Goes to prove even the best choices for officers can turn on you or work against the guild if upset.

[lostmymarbles]

Folks before you get really going on this, there are many alternatives to how a guild could be deleted.

Couple of examples:

1. Like the infamous child who accidentally sold my first War Frigate, any younger child who you might have let play your pirate could have accidentally booted players.

2. If you shared your account with anyone (girlfriend, boyfriend, whomever) and they got made at you, they could have done it.

3. Disney occassionally messes up.

Things to remember:

Carefully hand out officer privileges. (Just because someone has been in the guild a long time does not make them good candidates.) Besides there really aren't any benefits to being an officer, so be suspicious of someone who pushes to be promoted.

And develop a good friends list. Make sure that you have guildmates on your lists so you can locate them quickly and reguild them.

Good luck to you in reestablishing your guild network.

[combatlizzy]

Lostmymarbles is correct about the friends list. Make sure everyone that you guild is on a couple of officers lists. If this happens to your guild, you can easily find any member that has been booted for reguilding. It is a great safety measure in case the unthinkable happens. Good luck to all the guilds in finding your lost mates...

[MacIronhawk]

I'd also like to warn big guilds, be careful what you say around others.

Many times I've seen big guilds have one member out alone doing one or two things that don't make the guild look too good, and this could be a reason why they're getting attacked. Big guilds where officers are in control the whole time is not good, and I've actually have people tell me they wish they could boot everyone in the guild for banning them.

First, be careful what you say around other guilds, and treat people with respect, because many too many times I've seen people get angry at big guilds for being disrespectful. None here of POF, however, and I think it's because the mods do a great job of making sure all the members in the guilds are good members.

Another, probably more obvious reason for guilds getting targeted is simply because of their size. It's really horrible to see these big guilds that worked so hard and long to just disappear because of one officer that booted a lot of people.

[Midhav]

in the whole, i believe Disney must implement a better guild system, such as more ranks.....
Now, the attacks by these wretched Navy spies by sending them mere members to the gallows is a disgrace. Once it happened to MY guild, the very one i created, because of a careless promotion. Just a guy who reduced my 112 to.... a few less than 20 officers.
A new system of guilds is needed, i mean don't you think the situation will be absolutely crazy , lets see :
I become an officer in a big guild by hard work, but with unknown evil designs. I figure out the best time is, when the GM is offline while there would either be a couple of officers, or none.
The GM is not there one day. There are 10 high lvl hardworking officers working on various things. Then, i slowly start removing each person one by one. One officer notices this, and notifies everyone else about this. They are helpless, keep telling me to stop, using all sorts of bad words. I could get banned for this, and so can they for bad language.....
And the guild crumples and i leave the guild removing everyone of them from my friends list.

Originally Posted by william kid

My guild suffered the same problem, the ones who didnt get booted ( officers ) then got mad at the GM for making it to easy to become an officer. This caused even more to leave. The Gm then made all new members officers so he had sole power to boot as a prevenative to this happening again this made his officers that had been there from the start mad and even more left. Not sure what the solution is but a time limit would stop the people that are doing it for sport. I will say when it happened I was surpirsed by how fast some of the "faithful" people jumped on the linch mob and started pulling people out to start ther own guilds. Goes to prove even the best choices for officers can turn on you or work against the guild if upset.

which guild is this william?

[gingeeann]

Infinite Treasure was attacked last week as well, not the first time either. Only about 40 pirates lost this time. Last time IT lost over 250. The all officer policy is in effect there. It is ok but comes with its own problems.

[djr_8fan]

I hate it when this happens. And I have heard of guilds out there in the Caribbean who are known for inflitrating other guilds just to become officers and delete the members. Its very childish if this is true and all I can say is they are very evil people who have no care for anyone else's feelings.
I hope that one day Disney will come up with a hierarchy/order of rank for guilds. There should be the Guildmaster who can promote/demote to officer status and delete any member they deem unworthy of being in that guild. There should be a First Mate or First Officer who can also promote/demote officers. There should be Officers who can only guild prospects. And finally regular members. I strongly believe that only the Guild Master should be able to delete anyone's membership in the guild. Doing this would prevent the guilds from being hacked. Having a First Mate would allow the guildmaster to pass control of the guild to someone incase of emergencies or other circumstances that would prevent the Guild Master from playing Pirates for a period of time.

[Eliza Creststeel]

I understand those who go the ALL OFFICER route. But, this leaves you with almost no order or structure.

And now, you newest members can randomly guild anyone they pass and their behavior can go unchecked.


What will fix this - in part - is a rank similar to what we do in ETC. Create a rank where a pirate can recruit, but NOT be able to remove members. This broadens your ability to bring in new pirates without compromising your membership.

A First Mate / Second in Command (Another pirate with the ability to promote/demote all but the GM) would also aid those guilds who suddenly find themselves with an absentee GM.

But, AS GM - you have to decide who is earning the right to be an officer as well as give your officer corp the appreciation they deserve. And, in case of any issues with an officer - that person should be demoted immediately for your guild's protection.

In our case, a demoted officer must have a majority of officers vote to reinstate them - same as with their initial promotion. A majority vote insures your officers that you are not disrepecting their position as well protects you from promoting someone based purely on personal prejudice.

I cross my fingers saying this, but to date - this has kept us troublefree.

EC

[Captain Seafarer CO.]

Aye! I would like to see a few more ranks and also a way to see who joined who and or deleted who.
Something like...
GM
Officer
Petty Officer
Member
Probationary member.

And then being able to see when an Officer joins someone else.
Maybe leave the actual deleting to the GM.

[Eliza Creststeel]

I agree with the idea and our guild implemented something similar...

Recruit - a member newer than two weeks (any officer can remove them for rule issues.
Member - can only be removed by a decision of several officers
Petty Officer - can recruit
Full Officer - recruit and remove powers

Having a 2nd in Command of First Mate, a Full officer who can Promote/demote is really what would help too. Also, if Disney could create an actual Petty Officer rank to grant recruiting powers... that would also be a big help.