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08-08-2009, 04:46 PM
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I will point out ONCE AGAIN, this information IS passed on in game, when we started playing POTC 99% of us were strangers. THIS INFO is passed on IN GAME, as it is our mode off meeting each other and our initial method if communication is held here. The amount of users of other chat prgs and voice prgs is at the lvl it is BECAUSE people slipped around the censors that are in place to protect OUR security and that of OUR children. I appreciate that you may feel that you would never abuse the knowledge of the gained personal information of another pirate BUT you cannot vouch for all users of your other place site or other chat/voice prg. I say again, I WILL not be made to feel obliged to break DISNEY rules in order to keep up with the events on TBC, the violation has already been made and will continue to be made so long as we are complacent about this. Maya |
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08-08-2009, 06:02 PM
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And I feel the need to bring about the common sense thought proccess versus the letter of the law approach:
WHY does Disney ban people for directing others to AIM, YIM, XFIRE, Teamspeak, Vent, etc? BECAUSE those third party programs allow POTCO players to bypass Disney rules and language filters. Also, based on naming conventions, it also seems to me it would be dependant upon who is reviewing files on any day. Some days one Disney employee will disapprove a name, but on a different day another employee will approve it. This goes even for names that are clearly NOT against the written rules. Also, do realize that Disney doesn't ban for using a third party VOIP because they can't tell you are using a 3rd party VOIP unless you talk about it in game. I believe you follow the rules the best if you understand the intent behind the rules. As for third party VOIP, the intent is for players NOT to use it. They don't ban for using it because they can't tell or prove. But just tell someone to get on Vent and WHOOOOSH! Yer gone. Think about it. And yes, I realize TBC's "official" view on this.
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08-08-2009, 06:35 PM
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WOOO BART a resounding hear hear!
ok for those of you commenting on this thread that think it is ONLY about the use of other prgs for voice and chat that is the issue here, AS IF that isnt big enough on its own, I would like to remind you that this issue was raised because of an event that was held last tuesday and at the time was not a TBC event. The motion put forward by TBC member Davy Burnrat seeking reassurance over the use of other prgs for voice and chat was prior to the event, at the time he like many thought it WAS a TBC event. After some confusion the event took place and I summed up the event for a pof pirate who wasnt there at the time, nor were most of the administrators commenting on this thread there so far as I know: '...In the cold hard light of the event, the organiser took the captains from their crews at short notice prior to the sail to give them rules, leaving little time for the information to be passed on before the event, they were not allowed to crew with their ship mates making communication without team spk/chat prg awkward. -Some ships were shouting orders in privateer talk, which made it confusing and distracting looking for your teams orders. A major cause of lag is your chat log scrolling. -Crews were talking in local which again a major cause of lag. Captains had to whisper to crew if we were in close proximity to the opposite team, opening chat windows an clicking on pirate cards again a lag issue and a slow way to communicate. -On top of all this we were restricted to playing within the islands and rocks area the WORST area for lag a lot of war sloops a lot of fury n fire in a small area making play with skill very difficult. The result was those not using a chat programme or with excellent connection speeds an graphics cards, had crew dcing every few minutes or so, my captain ported when three of his four crew disconnected in the lag. NOW I think my self all of this can be worked through BUT, the organiser wouldnt take my point as valid in stead he offered the words, 'After any great event there is always some one who shouts cheat'. I felt belittled over seeking reassurance regarding non use of team spk or other chat prgs. I for one, and there are many like me, am not prepared to break disney rules on 3rd prty prgs and it simply isnt practical or fair to make us feel that we have to do it to be in with a chance of competeting.....' Just giving you some perspective on the other issue attached to this thread and how it connects to the logistics of the event being proposed to become a TBC event. Maya |
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08-08-2009, 06:56 PM
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So the issue here is more that you don't and won't use a voice chat program while playing so to be fair no one should. I do not really see how it is cheating the option to use them are available to anyone, it does not interfere directly with potco, and info for it can be exchanged here or on private guild sites not in game. From your post above if everyone had been using it the lag would have greatly reduced for everyone.
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08-08-2009, 07:04 PM
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if u read my other posts my concerns on violations are most prominent, followed by my desire for information on who will be using the prgs in events so I can opt out. Maya |
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08-08-2009, 07:19 PM
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Apparently no matter how it's written it will be interpreted however each of us see's fit. This debate could go on forever. If you feel it's an advantage maybe you should think about using the program yourself, it's free. Other than that I believe it's just personal choice. and yes your option is to opt out of the events.
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08-08-2009, 07:52 PM
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Exactly JD. Each and everyone of us will have to trust the honor system. Because I can say, "ok , I won't use my voice program" then go ahead and use it. Reassurance is impossible to get. And we can't police our selves on this issue. It will fall on each of us that decision. All rules and laws are going to be interpreted to fit our agendas. It will happen until the end of all civilizations. You can hide from the storm or you can sail in it.
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08-08-2009, 08:40 PM
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NOW what I said was we should have a clear indication of who has them and who will be using them in competetive events for TBC, SO THAT I CAN OPT OUT if I can see no other way around being forced to accept them and having to compete with this violation AND disadvantage. Maya |
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08-08-2009, 08:44 PM
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I think I know the real reason behind all this talk of saying using Voice Chat is ok. And here it is in a nut shell..
In the SVS team contest mentioned above you have more than one ship from a guild (and/or its alternate guilds) entered. But that ship may not be fully manned by that guild. In other words cannoneers from other guilds. The people on the two ships cannot be crewed under the same captain, so they can work together as a team against the other ships. Therefore they use the third party Voice Chat advantage over the other ships, telling their non-guild friends how to get on it. Most of them as stated above in this thread are regular cannoneers for that guild/captain (and/or it's alternate guilds) so they probably have been using it in normal svs if they are using it here in this contest. Now if you use guild chat to give your commands, then the non-guild cannoneers will be left out. But if you used LOCAL chat, like I did you can communicate to your crew. HOWEVER you could not communicate to your other "friendly" ship to help you out, unless you used privateer or the illegal third party Voice chat or whispered. This contest, to my understanding, was not about pitting a team of 2 to 3 ships working together against the others. It was about finding the BEST single team. Team meaning a crew of one captain and four gunners. My guild had two ships in the contest and we were on opposite sides. Which brings up another point... That in this type of contest, where you are looking for a "team of the month", it should be where the guilds (and/or its alternate guilds) should be assigned different sides, to be completely fair that is. But being honest here, some of these guilds who have a 2nd or 3rd guild for their alt pirates don't really want you to know they are affiliated with the main guild and may not be forthcoming with the information necessary to assign them the proper sides. So basically you have to take what you're given and work with it or choose to not enter. The guilds that have been using Voice chat will continue to do so .... there is no way you can stop them. Just like in the game you will always find someone using a cheat or glitch. It is something that will always be in the game. And not just in the game but in life in general. You have people that circumvent rules on a daily basis. Is it frustrating... yes, it is. But here's the thing... if you all want the BC to grow and be respected you all need to take a hard stance on some of these issues. There are guilds out there waiting to see how the BC handles these types of problems before joining, mine included. What you all do and how you respond is being watched before decisions are made. And I'm not talking about you just saying your official stance is this but if you want to do it, go ahead type of response. My guild will not use voice chat. We sink or sail with what Disney offers us to play with and our skills of course ... that said, see you on the water!! |
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08-08-2009, 09:29 PM
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The choice is your's to make, if you don't like it find another server or place to play, simply put.
As for guilds working together in the contest, the guilds were purposely split up and on opposite sides to keep this event a single ship team effort, along with being mixed guild teams. The goal of the event is to have fun, and even though "winners" for the evening are announced , it still is an accumulative point system that adds up through each event in the season, again to make it fair as possible. I say one last time, if you don't like or agree then simply opt out and do not participate Last edited by Jack I; 08-08-2009 at 10:29 PM.. Reason: flaming/trolling |
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I am simply shedding light on the topic of the Voice chat and why some feel it was/is necessary to go against Disney rules to use it. And the reaction of the BC and its membership to this subject Last edited by Jack I; 08-08-2009 at 10:30 PM.. Reason: irritating post style, edited quote |
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08-08-2009, 11:24 PM
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Nope. This is not a third party program that allows you to talk while playing POTCO. It is a fan site. Disney has never stated that people who play POTCO can no longer post on message boards on the internet. Additionally, this forum does not allow the exchange of personal information or of email addresses, etc. All of this is in compliance with Disney's rules. Based on that response, it is now my concern that maybe people really don't undertand what is meant by a third party program.
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08-09-2009, 12:47 AM
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I know im not part of TBC, and my apologies if I am jumping in where I have no business, however I believe there are some major inaccuracies being stated in the VOIP debate.
There is something to be said about applying rules in the manners for which they were intended, and not bending the letter of them to apply in ways they were not intended. The rule of 3rd party applications is a rule designed to encompass those that would use 3rd party applications to cheat. Applicatons that would change aspects of the game, edit gold, give weapons, grant special powers, grief other players, etc (ie cheats). Not because they can be used to circumvent communication rules in the game. VOIP is not new, it was developed years ago, and has been in use by gamers for years. It has never been considered a cheat, merely a tool. Those competing that do not use it will definately be at a disadvantage to those that do. The only rules applied towards such applications are the sharing of such contact information in the game itself. Giving emails, usernames, ip addresses, etc. Anything that leads to sharing of personal information IN THE GAME. This is why noone has ever been banned for using one, not because Disney cannot tell they are using them as has been suggested, identifying known applications running in memory is very easily done if they had rules specifically against these applications. The rule is to cover those cheating applications that are not only designed to change the game, but to hide themselves from identification in the first place. I've gamed, and ladder matched for years, I know what cheating and the use of "3rd party applications" means in a games TOS. People have even gone through steps to contact, and inquire with the games customer service/moderation staff and been told its alright, but theres still argument I guess over what Disney's lawyers meant, instead of how those that run the game interpret and apply the rule? Stretching the term 3rd party applications as I have seen some apply it here could very easily be applied to POF as well in the aspect that Internet Explorer (or other browser) absolutely is without a doubt, a 3rd party application, and viewing/sharing information thru it via a 3rd party website would also be a violation of TOS. One could continue to stretch it and say you cant use your cell phone while playing because it is/uses 3rd party applications. Which btw VOIP is more reknowned these days for replacing our telephones, so applying the rules as stringently as has been suggested may disallow use of your telephone. Now I think most think that idea is somewhat ridiculous, however if you apply the term 3rd party applications as loosely as a few have suggested, where does it end?
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