Post Meeting Discussions - Pirates of the Caribbean Online Fansite & Forums

***The Skirata Clan*** · #1 08-06-2009, 05:11 AM

This is the space designated to discuss points that were made during the meeting that you feel that were inconclusive or that may need more time to discuss.

Roxy Redcrow · #2 08-07-2009, 04:00 PM

Concerning 3rd Party Programs and POTCO.

It was motioned before the Court on Wednesday (8/5/09) that 3rd party voice chat programs be allowed for SVS tournaments.

To clarify, TBC does not endorse nor condone the use of 3rd party voice chat programs during our events. This includes glitch & cheat programs and chat & voice programs.

And although other programs that do not effect the game play ( i.e. voice chat programs ) are not prohibited by the Mouse, there are many kids who do play the game and therefore suggest that IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE A VOIP or CHAT Program for game play, to DO SO AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION and RISK.

But don't just take my word on the subject, let's hear what the mouse has to say.

Take it away Mickey!

No Cheating - Any use of third party programs is not allowed. Players who use any third party programs while playing risk being permanently banned.

this is further difined as:

1. (a) is defamatory, abusive, harassing, threatening, or an invasion of a right of privacy of another person; (b) is bigoted, hateful, or racially or otherwise offensive; (c) is violent, vulgar, obscene, pornographic or otherwise sexually explicit; or (d) otherwise harms or can reasonably be expected to harm any person or entity;

2. is illegal or encourages or advocates illegal activity or the discussion of illegal activities with the intent to commit them, including a Submission that is, or represents an attempt to engage in, child pornography, stalking, sexual assault, fraud, trafficking in obscene or stolen material, drug dealing and/or drug abuse, harassment, theft, or conspiracy to commit any criminal activity;

3. infringes or violates any right of a third party including: (a) copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other proprietary or contractual rights; (b) right of privacy (specifically, you must not distribute another person's personal information of any kind without their express permission) or publicity; or (c) any confidentiality obligation;

4. is commercial, business-related or advertises or offers to sell any products, services or otherwise (whether or not for profit), or solicits others (including solicitations for contributions or donations);

5. contains a virus or other harmful component, or otherwise tampers with, impairs or damages the WDIG Sites or any connected network, or otherwise interferes with any person or entity's use or enjoyment of the WDIG Sites; or

6. (a) does not generally pertain to the designated topic or theme of the relevant Public Forum; (b) violates any specific restrictions applicable to a Public Forum, including its age restrictions and procedures; or (c) is antisocial, disruptive, or destructive, including "flaming," "spamming," "flooding," "trolling," and "griefing" as those terms are commonly understood and used on the Internet.

This is for game and widgets

themgrind · #3 08-07-2009, 05:02 PM

Well put Roxy! and you too Mickey. May I also add some things are best left to the forums for disscussion...

Eva Jewel · #4 08-07-2009, 07:18 PM

Rox, thanks for your time and clarification on this matter.

Eliza Creststeel · #5 08-07-2009, 07:45 PM

Just to clarify...

Voice applications like X-Fire only fall under this if a PvP or SvS crew are using voice chat to their advantage AND SOMEHOW found out. Pirates in PvP and SvS can already use the Crew Chat option, voice is just faster responding.

Understand - I AM NOT CONDONING UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR, especially in Pirate vs. Pirate events - I ABHOR GLITCHING!! HATE HATE HATE IT! But, voice apps have other uses to. They can help crew leader organize without fear of typos or italics. They allow guild and officer meetings to occur REAL TIME while players are playing the game...

Eva Jewel · #6 08-07-2009, 07:48 PM

A few of comments from the last couple of meetings. I've noticed that we are still having issues of non-member guilds attending and taking floor time away from member guilds, also attendence of more than two members per guild taking time away and disrupting the meeting. I know everyone in my guild has been instructed not to tp to me during our meeting or they will be removed from the guild,that's how serious we take this court. We all know that these rules have been enacted to streamline and make our meetings run smooth and fast so we can handle the business at hand and get to our planned event for the evening. These rules of the code need to be enforced somehow and once the meeting has adjourned the floor needs to be closed and all tp away to the event.

P.S. Rox you are doing a awesome job and have the patience of a saint

***The Skirata Clan*** · #7 08-07-2009, 08:14 PM

I missed most of last meeting trying to enforce that issue Eva. We are trying hard to make sure it goes smooth for everyone.

Now on the voice chat issue... It is on my view that those can and should be allowed, however... Since it has become an issue claiming unfair advantage to those that don't use them, I think next time we have an event that involves PvP/SvS lets put a warning on the event. But my views and opinions are not the one of The Court. We abide by POF and POTCO ruling.

Eliza Creststeel · #8 08-07-2009, 08:29 PM

Just to comment on the members in attendance thing. In the ETC's defense at this past meeting, I was unable to attend on time due to a prior commitment - upon returning home I found the meeting still in progress and joined my two officers (who kindly went in my stead) to get caught up.

Despite NUMEROUS postings, two of my membership did TP to me. Both were courteous enough to leave once I told them to. I do post on our own guild's site when meetings are. However, as members sign onto the game - no matter of warnings can catch everyone. But, I will continue to mention it.

**Bartholomew Foulsteel** · #9 08-07-2009, 09:34 PM

I read your post, Roxy, but I don't think the third party program issue is limited to what you "further difined(sic)."

It looks more like a chop job to meet your particular desire for what Disney meant by third party programs. The actual rules state:

"No Cheating - Any use of third party programs is not allowed. Players who use any third party programs while playing risk being permanently banned."

Now, I uderstand that Disney's intent is to limit outside programs so people can avoid the language filters and then gain email addresses and other personal information. Realize that by bypassing Disney's language controls you are automatically violating their terms of service.

NOWHERE does Disney authorize the use of third party VOIP as an acceptable bypass to their chat rules.

Be very careful, mates. If you chose to do so you are violating POTCO TOS and could face a ban. Disney is merely trying to protect the children that play their games.

Dhestroyer · #10 08-07-2009, 10:09 PM

Now to add to the debate here is more from the OFFICIAL Mouse aka Disney --- (Pay close attention to #1 & #5)

Disney's Online Netiquette
Whether this is your first time online or you're a seasoned visitor, we've spelled out a few of our House Rules for you here. To more fully understand your obligations while a visitor to our sites, please read our Terms of Use in their entirety. Generally speaking, these House Rules simply require respect and good manners. Use common sense and you'll feel right at home.

House Rules

1. We live by words online, so when it comes to message boards, e-mails, or chats of any kind, we don't allow obscene, bigoted, or sexually explicit language. We reserve the right to remove postings that contain obscene, bigoted, insulting, abusive, or hateful content, and suspend or terminate the guest accounts of anyone who posts such content. Any harassing notes or postings that might be construed as stalking will be deleted, and we reserve the right to inform and/or provide assistance to law enforcement agencies in any way we deem appropriate. We also reserve the right to remove notes that are off the subject or not in English.

2. No solicitations or advertisements are allowed. These include advertisements for any business or latest get-rich-quick scheme. Such notes add clutter and devalue conversation.

3. You may not suggest, encourage, boast about, or discuss your participation in, any illegal activity. If illegal activity is discussed on message boards or in chat rooms, we reserve the right to inform and/or provide assistance to law enforcement agencies in any way we deem appropriate.

4. You must have copyright ownership of all material that you post on our message boards and in our chats. No articles, recipes, song lyrics, art, graphics, or other material may be posted without the express written consent of the copyright holder.

5. You should never give out any personal information about yourself or anyone else, and never ask for personal information from others. This means no posting of phone numbers, screen or user names (including Voice Over Internet Programs (VOIPs)), addresses, e-mail addresses, Social Security numbers, passwords, or any other private information. In addition, any discussion of Web addresses or social networking Web sites where personal information is, or can be posted or exchanged, is not allowed.

6. Having good manners online means that you don't post the same note more than once. The online word for posting many times on one topic is "spamming." We don't allow that.

7. You participate at your own risk on the message boards, in chat, and in e-mail. All chats may be monitored by our staff members. You take responsibility for postings under your identification and use the information provided on this site, including on message boards, chat, and e-mail, at your own risk. We take no responsibility for the content or opinions posted on message boards, chat, and e-mail.

8. We reserve the right to remove any postings (although we have no duty to do so).

9. If you see any chat, or message board post that you feel violates any of the above house rules, please notify the community host by e-mail.

10. By posting to any portion of this site, you agree to abide by our Terms of Use.

11. Use good judgment, and have a wonderful time.

© Disney. All rights reserved.

JDAnne · #11 08-07-2009, 10:53 PM

I can appreciate your commentary and participation in this forum Dhestroyer, but might I suggest that you mates kindly fill out an application to belong to this court and await approval of such before further attendance and participation in this court.

Those are some fine rules Disney has placed in their TOS and are designed to protect our children and others who play this game. However if #5 is read correctly , it only prohibits the mention or "posting" of voip's or third party programs addresses and info, not the use of them.

Roxy Redcrow · #12 08-07-2009, 10:59 PM

Allow me to Clarify TBC stance once more.

We do not endorse, or condone the use of any 3rd party programs that would put players in violation of their terms of service agreement with Disney, POTCO & POF.

You as a player that choses to use such a program does so at your own risk.

**Bartholomew Foulsteel** · #13 08-07-2009, 11:05 PM

Excuse me, but I hope that the above was not addressed to me in reference to filling out an application to belong to this court and awaiting approval. BBK has a representative--MY REPRESENTATIVE--that is a member of the court.

How about THIS as a suggestion: contact Disney DIRECTLY and ASK if VOIP during game-play is authorized. That should take any guesswork out of it.

As for any other membership issues, I would be thankful for ANY input that could prevent any members of POTCO from violating terms of service.

JDAnne · #14 08-07-2009, 11:23 PM

Ty Bart , I did just that and contacted a Disney representative, she checked with her supervisor and it is as I stated , they have no policy against the use of voip, their concerns, as their TOS states, is that no information is posted in game such as web sites or voip names addy's etc.
NO ONE to their knowledge has been banned from the game for using voip, but have been for mentioning it in game chat.

Sarah · #15 08-07-2009, 11:31 PM

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I can appreciate your commentary and participation in this forum Dhestroyer, but might I suggest that you mates kindly fill out an application to belong to this court and await approval of such before further attendance and participation in this court.

This is an open forum to all members of POF, one does not have to be a member of TBC to post comments here. What you choose to do with the court in game is totally up to you, but you may not ask POF members not to voice opinions or comments in any POF forum in which they have site permission to post in.

carry on...