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#2
08-21-2008, 04:21 AM
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Why mate? School? Or something else?
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08-21-2008, 01:01 PM
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I will inform you of the reason:
A post from Racket yesterday mentioned cheaters in great detail yesterday, and though most of the post was perfectly aceptable the names themselves had to be removed. The policy on this is Trolling/Naming Names (also referred to as Blacklisting - which is ileagal by law) and as policy I removed the names and as the reason for the edit I put the Policy Name in the edit line. As a good and very active poster who I respect - instead of the 'rubber stamp' message to Racket quoting the post and listing the offense, blah, blah - I sent a simple friendly PM letting him know that I had to remove the names but agreed with the post so all was good  This was not necessary - but done out of respect as I watch several posters with great insight into the game and enjoy their comments and posts.Unfortunately - The policy Edit in the post he has taken personally. This was not the intent - not sent to him in any way in any message. Now - I will not stand by and allow offences to take place, and this the only time I will come close to explaining my actions to anyone. I consider myself and the other Mods here very fair and in many cases we could take larger steps when I and others for the most part find it unecessary... if the train runs smooth, why hit the breaks I wish you fair winds mate, and hope that you see past the policy label of one post to continue on. Max |
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08-21-2008, 01:18 PM
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I am not an attorney, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I believe the law referenced in the policy is for actual names. I said the name of the avatar used in the game. I doubt very seriously that his character's POTCO name is his real life name, and if it is, his family has a very unique last name.
My understanding of the law referenced is blacklisting "Actual" people. I do not believe listing the cheater's character name is in fact not "blacklisting". I do not have access to his personal information via this website, Disney's website, nor in game. I only know his character name. It is in no way identifying the actual real life person. I understand the need to err on the side of caution, but equating calling out cheaters to trolling is a little overboard. Perhaps a seperation of trolling from the naming names would have helped. To be honest, I was flabbergasted, angered, and incredulous that the edit was for "Trolling", I saw that word and it set me off like a rocket. I am a lot of things, but a troll is not one of them. I appreciate that you sent the PM in a friendly manner, but I have been on line for over 15 years, dating back to my time in the Military using the alt net sites and WAN's for the military. My definition of a troll is vastly different than what was indicated by the edit. I have dealt with trolls as a moderator, admin, and member of other forums, and to be equated with that type of person, even if it was just in the edit, was a little bit too much for me. I hold no ill will towards you, or the other mods, but I do not feel what I did was illegal, nor was it akin to trolling. Rackat |
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08-21-2008, 01:42 PM
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 And my second great laugh today... that priceless Its too bad many here will not get that joke Racket I know you were flabbergasted (oh I KNOW... I got the PM LOL ) Of course this was not the intent at all (I know - I'm guilty of it once myself... a long time ago on these very boards - you could try to find it but that thread was deleted by Mods many moons ago and the day after I realised it was the best decision ever )Well, we could open a Thread to debate the term BL in the Pirates Parley And as you've now dated yourself and I have been on the internet long before the letters WWW came along (ahh.. Mosaic.. now THAT was a Web Browser  ) we both agree times have definitely changed.No worries mate - I will still be posting as much agains cheats against players as you do (once I finish this DECK... these contractors are driving me crazy) and Zep will have to Mod 'remind me' probably that some of my posts are way out there - but I don't take it personally - I just fix it and move on By the way - Gl with the weekend even everyone - I cannot attend I don't think  But will be dropping in from time to time to see results (just like the olympics )Edit: I stand Corrected (well I'm correcting myself) - The Policy is Flaming / Naming Names - not Trolling / Naming Names. When typing the policy Name last night I must of somehow looked ant the screen the wrong way. I just noticed this myself - and will make the adjustment to the other post... once I can find it Edit 2: Nevermind - Racket has already done the edit - this job gets easier every day
Last edited by Maximvs; 08-21-2008 at 02:04 PM.. Reason: To Correct The Policy That I Have To Go Re-quote :) |
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08-21-2008, 01:50 PM
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Hey mates, a little input from a guy you probably don't need or want input from:
Every good forum that is managed well has these little issues. Everybody needs to learn to deal with it. The mods have a difficult job and often times have to make a gut-feeling decision. On a good forum, once that decision is made, the entire management team is going to stick with it and stick together. Great news--it keeps real trolling and flaming non-existent. I know because I have served as both administrator and moderator on other boards. It's a tough job and there's no way to do the job well and keep everybody happy. Have I had my posts edited/deleted here? You bet I have! Do I take it personally? Heck no! These mods and admins are doing a bang-up job and I wouldn't want it any other way. It's their work that keeps this forum in such great condition. Kind of like in the game itself--if you're taking it personally and getting all flustered, it's probably time for a break. I hope you do come back and post more. I enjoy your input. P.S. About my last post that got deleted--sorry. It was supposed to be humorous.
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08-21-2008, 02:24 PM
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Mosaic was good. I miss a lot of the indie browsers that were out there. I used to use Netscape Navigator when it first came out, and I have tried Mozilla, and a few others. But, have gotten lax in my elderly years and just use Internet Explorer. If you have any suggestions for a good indie browser let me know. The first time I used a WAN was 1989, and then when I got out of the Service, I bought a new HP with a 28.8 modem and I was flying around the net. LOL. Now I have FiOS and a modem just makes me cringe.  I won't debate the legality of the BL, unless I stay in a Holiday Inn Express the night before. So, no worries.  Rackat |
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#9
08-21-2008, 03:11 PM
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Well, as i see it RACKAT is RIGHT..
If you look up pirate search in the community channel, and even type my name, which i thought was UNIQUE, it comes up with SEVERAL "Sassy" names.. so, i don't see how posting the name of someone is a violation, since it's not their FACTUAL name, i hope, since that would be BREAKING a rule set by DISNEY... yanno, PERSONAL INFORMATION and all.. So, what's the big deal?? Cheaters should be exposed.. If i cheated in svs, not only should Disney be informed of the cheating, but my score gained, gold gained, and such should be removed as it was not HONESTLY earned, and after three violations, i would be suspeneded and upon my forth violation, banned.. Harsh? Not in my mind. Remember they will be holding a cheaters contest this weekend.. So, all you cheaters, have fun and win those prizes!!! [Yeah, cuz that's who's gonna get them..] |
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08-21-2008, 03:39 PM
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Sassy,
I appreciate the support, but I was wrong. We may feel that it does not violate the law, but it violates POF policy. I would prefer that we be allowed to post avatar names and guild names that we find cheating, but we can't. I think it would go a long way to curtailing the cheating, but it is what it is. Maximus typed "trolling" rather than "flaming" as the reason for edit, and I understand the distinction well. Knowing that it is flaming makes all the difference, to me. The Mods here are over all a good lot, and they do a thankless job. Let's move on. Thanks, Rackat |
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08-21-2008, 04:11 PM
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*and now boys and girls - its time for.... Maximv's Multi-Quote of the Day!
*Now this I enjoy - an indepth discussion on a topic Quote:
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).In a public light of a privately owned forum (and as the Internet proves time and again via the news) people posting information about themselves or anyone else always comes back around full circle (people not being hired via Facebook for example). As this IS a children oriented site whcih trys its best to keep everything family-friendly, there are Policies and Guidelines for posting here which you and all other posters argeed to when signing up (I'm gonna come back to this though )Of course, we're quiet the understandable bunch, so for the most part smaller infractions are just usually corrected without issue. Quote:
'You hope...' - the problem here is 'you hope' doesn't cut it. I actually know several younger kids in the game who have actually used their names. They like many others don't bother reading the 'Terms of Agreement' or 'Policy' or anything else and just click the OK Button. Now not only do we have concerns of 'others making bad remarks' against them - but now LOTS of baddies crawl out of the woodwork with the potential to harm a child. I mean - really - how many times does one read all those ToS agreements? As my previous remarks note: did you read them on this site before clicking the OK Button? Common... almost everyone just accepts them and moves on But here's an even worse problem - I know of one pirate who used his FRIENDS real name as their pirate... so now not only do we have someone who could potentially casuse issues and be reported (note: the person is not a cheater and is actually a really good player, just an example here), but then the issue becomes one that its the friend who they come after (and pays the price). Using an alias or a.k.a does not matter since these can be traced back to the orginal person (it may take effort, but it is done). As I did not stay at an Express last night either (though I'm booking a reservation right now LOL ) all the legal jaron that goes with this would neeed to be explored - but in light of POF Policy it does not matter - Naming Names in a bad light is not allowed - real or otherwise As for reporting to D, thats exactly what should happen! Send them the people who are cheating - thats what the Report Button and its function is for! But - their Policy coveres this - ours does not. Names there are reported without others seeing them except those who control the accounts - here - its the world - and its a big world with big points of view Quote:
But this is NOT a thread on cheating, it is a thread of a good poster who in another thread just went 'slightly' over the line and the post was fixed - and the 'post correction reason' was taken more personally than what was expected. I would hope that stands corrected now - and this discussion on cheating can move back to this post: Countering the Invincibility Glitch Quote:
Off to that Express Room now Edit: Aw darn... while typing this Racket posted and made everything all washy LOL - now its not as fun
Last edited by Maximvs; 08-21-2008 at 08:06 PM.. Reason: Racket beat me to the punch :) *Washy* LOL |
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08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
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::looks at Maximus:: Now, go check in to the Holiday Inn Express! |
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08-21-2008, 05:16 PM
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In regards to the naming of names subject.
I think yall know I absolutely HATE cheating... If your using a "name" thats in the game, calling that person a cheater, and that name is in the list of pirate names more than once, then you are accusing everyone with that name of being a cheater, just because ONE of them made bad decisions. Is that fair? How many stories do we hear these days about important people having issues at airports because thier names match some expatriot's or terrorists?
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08-21-2008, 06:16 PM
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The POF policy of not naming character names is wrong and unacceptable. That moderators can (and apparently do) simply quash messages without notification is also unacceptable. Until I read about ten messages on this thread, I had no idea that some of my posts "violated" that absurd policy - I can't imagine what the moderators have done to those posts. Do you replace names with "[Name removed by policy 23 section 4]" or something? Or delete the post? I too, understand very well what a tedious and thankless task being a moderator is. But the POF policies are out of whack. There is no reason for them to make the astronomic leap from "pirate name" - particularly ones that can't be given or family names in the English language - to personal name. Likewise, it is inexplicable why the moderators are able to directly edit the messages. Doing so should not be done flippantly (at least not as carelessly as it seems to be used) and needs to require notification. The negative feedback I received was about "tone," not about violating an obscure and counter-intuitive policy. But that wasn't politely in a private message - that itself was spammed on the thread itself, IIRC. Blacklisting, indeed. Is the Holiday Inn Express thing a movie reference? It's been a couple years since I've spent a night in one - they had "free" wireless back then. Rackrat, you aren't using Firefox? *gasp* |
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08-21-2008, 06:34 PM
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Clarification:
My username is Rackat, not Racket or Rackrat. But, knowing I am sometimes forgetful, it's ok. As I said, I have used Mozilla/Firefox in the past, just not recently. I may download the updates and give another run. |
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