Saying Goodbye to POTCO? Read on Friends...

[Shnoodell]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Boycott the game? Now what good would that do? No one is going to know how you feel about the issues unles you tell them. Log on, report, complain, offer some solutions. You are the customer, tell them you want what you're paying for.

If you read through my message again i said that during the whle period we would be emailing and complaining to disney

[Chris]

I like that idea shnoodell :P except we tried that with VMK and everyone sees where that ended up. But just give me a time and ill help, I want this game to survive and thrive more than anything I want to play again and be in an active guild and have fun and make memories in this game again its just disney.... maybe they should sell the POTCO rights to another company and have them work on it -_-.....

[Eliza Creststeel]

I doubt 'boycotting' will work since you have to stage it with well-in-advanced planning and even a large number players didn't play that day (and you'd want to schedule on a normally busy time) - the number of freebies who don't care would negate that.

Would anyone still be interested in at least staging some kind of protest the next time they do an RP session?

Vary the demands, but mostly 'fix the account issue' and 'get us some real updates'.

It would definitely get noticed by the GMs and other players who would be in attendance. Granted, such actions could get us suspended... but, is it worth it?

EC

[Raikel]

We have to send this to an actually person, because if you send it to the technical problems and such without calling, you'll just get a machine that sends an E-Mail that was typed years ago. You best use the grog blog, I did myself a favor and entered mine about 30 times for just about all of the moderators to see. I know I don't play, but I don't think anybody should quit because of this stupid decision that Disney made.

[Liz Fireburn]

Originally Posted by Eliza Creststeel

I doubt 'boycotting' will work since you have to stage it with well-in-advanced planning and even a large number players didn't play that day (and you'd want to schedule on a normally busy time) - the number of freebies who don't care would negate that.

Would anyone still be interested in at least staging some kind of protest the next time they do an RP session?

Vary the demands, but mostly 'fix the account issue' and 'get us some real updates'.

It would definitely get noticed by the GMs and other players who would be in attendance. Granted, such actions could get us suspended... but, is it worth it?

EC

A protest sounds good to me. It would be a good way to help get our opinions out.

[Stephen O'Malley]

Originally Posted by Liz Fireburn

A protest sounds good to me. It would be a good way to help get our opinions out.

Protesting isn't a good idea, according to almost all of my friends, the moderation department at Disney has been taking a stand against their own customers. Suspensions, warnings, and bannings are being handed out as we speak. Several of my friends have gotten one of those three for simply saying "they need to bring back linked accounts". All we can do is continue to bombard them with feedback.

[Liz Fireburn]

I have been sending in tons of feedback emails and each time I get the same copy and paste message back.
I also have been sending in a ton of comments on the grog blog but of course, none of it is posted.
I know all the feedback does help but protesting could also help. I would not mind the ban if it would get their attention. It may not help at all but to me its a worth a try.

[Juliana Maria]

I'm still waiting on my response to Disney's response. As much as I would like to protest, I agree.. I don't think it's the best of ideas. Once I get a response to my other email, then I'll decide if it's worth it. But for now I'm just holding off...

EDIT: I take that back, I sort of just got one of my emails answered. And let's just say.... I'm loving Disney again!! LOL Just got that prize I won back in November for their Anniversary. And I have to admit, its pretty cool. This just made my day!!!!! Lol

[MacIronhawk]

After reading some of the posts, I think some of us are going a little overboard with protesting. If you protest the game by not playing that's one thing but not paying is a whole different story. You're not helping the game at all when you decide to stop paying for the game to protest.

I think too many people are complaining because they're bored. Why is it that I can wait a year and a half to two years before a huge update goes to toontown but my fellow POTCO players can't wait even a year at the least?

Too many of us are raising the expectations we expect from Disney. You can't expect them to come out with some grand update once a year can you? There are players in the game that have four mastered pirates while others only have one. Now look at that and tell me who will wait longer for the bigger update. Too many people in this game are hardcore players that not only want big updates each year but expect them. Protesting the game isn't going to help the developers at all. In fact, it will probably hurt the game!

Lets pretend half of the players in POTCO get together to protest by not paying for the game. What's going to happen when Disney stops making money off of the game? If they see a huge decrease in money being made they can cut the game if they want. POTCO isn't fun to Disney. It's supposed to be a money maker. What would you do if you were spending more money on a product for your business than making money from it? Like most business 'people', they'd probably say the heck with it and cut it so they can keep making money off of other things.

POTCO is just a product to Disney. If half the members stop paying for the game they can cut it if they want. Why should they pay money on something that's not making any money because their customers are too impatient?

Disney probably wasn't expecting a huge amount of players to begin with. It took toontown three years to have just three full servers and POTCO got three full servers in less than a year. If that gives us any idea of how many players are already on POTCO, then I'm not surprised a lot of players are already bored.

I'm sure if all the impatient players could have a one on one talk with someone from Disney, the Disney employee would ask you to wait. Don't waste away your life on a game by making four pirates and mastering them in less than a year or two. It is just a game afterall. If some of us are too OCD to limit ourselves then that's too bad. I mean dang. Protesting the game isn't going to do anything. Be patient. I've seen kid players that have been more patient than adult players in the game. I went out and bought myself a PS3 to keep me busy. I found myself playing Need for Speed games more than POTCO. Hey, it kept me busy for a while but now I'm back to online games.

It's not hard to limit yourself from a game. If you can't limit yourself from a game then how can you limit yourself for everything? I realize that adults(and retired) probably have more time on the computer than kids. Even if you have more time that doesn't mean you shouldn't limit yourself. Afterall, who wants to be found dead at a computer?

[Sarah]

Mac, I agree that protesting is not the way to go. In fact I even feel silly typing the word.

As for the rest...I've been playing since day one, had a basic account for all of 45 minutes before I paid my year. Yes, I have four mastered Pirates, and four babes on account two (a paid one at that) but this didn't come from spending my life grinding in game. A couple hours three times a week, and your mastered. (sounds like a bow-flex commercial....)

Of COURSE people are complaining because they are bored! The content for someone starting out NOW is great, there is a lot to do. There has been NOTHING for pirates who have been in game more than a year however, and I cannot subscribe to the theory that it's lack of funds, D is a multi-billion dollar company. Channel some of that into POTCO already. I haven't raised expecations on Disney, they set their standars high already. They need to cough up the goods.

NOW, back to your regularly scheduled thread...

[Stephen O'Malley]

Mac, I agree with most of the things you said, but I must point out a few things that differentiate TT from POTC.

Originally Posted by MacIronhawk

I think too many people are complaining because they're bored. Why is it that I can wait a year and a half to two years before a huge update goes to toontown but my fellow POTCO players can't wait even a year at the least?

TT is a fully developed game that has players kept busy for years at a time. Like Sarah said, a few hours 3 times a weak, and you've mastered every aspect of the game. I had gotten my main pirate up to Level 40, all weapons lv. 22+, and all tasks (including bonus ones) completed in less than a month. In TT, it takes at least a month to max one of the four cog suits, and you still have several weeks going to golfing, fishing, and racing. Not to mention the fact that there's so much personalization throughout the game, and there's so much competition around you to motivate you to get through the game. I have never met a fully maxed toon that hadn't been spending at least 6 months on TT. On POTC, I have met people who have maxed their pirates in a week and a half. There is little gaming content to POTC, when you compare it to TT. This is why TT can take months at a time when coming out with new stuff; it keeps the players busy. Could you imagine players on TT like POTC in which half the paid gaming community has 3 fully maxed toons? If that was happening, TT would be having the exact same problems as POTC is having right now. So in end, I think it is an unfair comparison when comparing POTC and TT, and it still eludes why Disney is fully aware of the problems and lack of new content on POTC, and why they're not sending some of the designers from the TT department to the POTC development department.

Basically, my rant in a nutshell: TT keeps players busy! POTC is failing at that!

[Sven Niscadae]

Originally Posted by truffleboy2894

Like Sarah said, a few hours 3 times a weak, and you've mastered every aspect of the game.

I'll have to disagree there. I play a little more than that and I don't even have one level 40 let alone one that's fully mastered. Possibly it's because I enjoy the social aspects of the game more than focusing on completing everything there is.

TT keeps players busy! POTC is failing at that!

But POTCO can't be compared against TT. There has been quite a bit of time for Disney to release a lot of things to do on ToonTown. If you want to compare how long it took major new content to be released on ToonTown, they were on the same track that POTCO is on right now. It took Disney 20 months from the time TT went Live to release the 2nd Cog headquarters (Cashbot HQ), another 14 months after that to release Lawbot HQ, and 23 more months to release Bossbot HQ.

TownTown just celebrated its 6 year anniversary (on June 2nd, wow coincidences eh?). TT has had a lot of time to develop. Yes, there is a lot to do on TT, but it didn't start out with all of the boss battles and all of the mini-games & activities it has now. It built up to them. Sellbot HQ wasn't even released until 5 months after launch (sound familiar?). Overall, TT is much a more developed MMO, yes. Six years later, I would hope so.

[Raikel]

Originally Posted by Sven Niscadae

I'll have to disagree there. I play a little more than that and I don't even have one level 40 let alone one that's fully mastered. Possibly it's because I enjoy the social aspects of the game more than focusing on completing everything there is.



But POTCO can't be compared against TT. There has been quite a bit of time for Disney to release a lot of things to do on ToonTown. If you want to compare how long it took major new content to be released on ToonTown, they were on the same track that POTCO is on right now. It took Disney 20 months from the time TT went Live to release the 2nd Cog headquarters (Cashbot HQ), another 14 months after that to release Lawbot HQ, and 23 more months to release Bossbot HQ.

TownTown just celebrated its 6 year anniversary (on June 2nd, wow coincidences eh?). TT has had a lot of time to develop. Yes, there is a lot to do on TT, but it didn't start out with all of the boss battles and all of the mini-games & activities it has now. It built up to them. Sellbot HQ wasn't even released until 5 months after launch (sound familiar?). Overall, TT is much a more developed MMO, yes. Six years later, I would hope so.

Comparable or not, you can tell that Disney made Toon Town a more successful game, and they are actually advertising it a little bit. Pirates hasn't had a commercial ever since Ship PvP came out, and I honestly cannot see it getting anymore soon with these updates. Sure, new members who have just joined and think these new enemies are something else may think it's a big change, but they have no clue what truly happened. POTCO is pretty much Disney's new Toilet System, it flushes out all good players, and gets clogged up by the stinky and unwanted players. Whether they can realize they've made it what it is or not, it's their fault because they said the game was ours, and they take out the Family Factor, which was just about all there was in the game after 3 months.

[Stephen O'Malley]

Originally Posted by Sven Niscadae

I'll have to disagree there. I play a little more than that and I don't even have one level 40 let alone one that's fully mastered. Possibly it's because I enjoy the social aspects of the game more than focusing on completing everything there is.

I would be an example of this. One month of gameplay, only play on weekends, and I've mastered.

Originally Posted by Sven Niscadae

But POTCO can't be compared against TT. There has been quite a bit of time for Disney to release a lot of things to do on ToonTown. If you want to compare how long it took major new content to be released on ToonTown, they were on the same track that POTCO is on right now. It took Disney 20 months from the time TT went Live to release the 2nd Cog headquarters (Cashbot HQ), another 14 months after that to release Lawbot HQ, and 23 more months to release Bossbot HQ.

Are you forgetting that TT came out with many other things along the way? TT came out with fishing, more fish species, racing, golfing, estates, doodles, along with the 4 cog HQs, and lv. 7 gags. TT came out with new stuff every 3-9 months, but when TT came out with the Hqs, those kept players busy because of the cog suits system. People wanted to be at the top due to so much competition which made them want to max their suits. POTC doesn't have a system in which you dress up as a guard to recapture the pearl, and you move up through marine, sergeant, etc. If it did, players would be MUCH less bored because they want to be ahead of the rest.

Originally Posted by Sven Niscadae

TT has had a lot of time to develop. Yes, there is a lot to do on TT, but it didn't start out with all of the boss battles and all of the mini-games & activities it has now. It built up to them. Sellbot HQ wasn't even released until 5 months after launch (sound familiar?). Overall, TT is much a more developed MMO, yes. Six years later, I would hope so.

I'm hoping so too, and I'm not the only player to think that.

[MacIronhawk]

Originally Posted by truffleboy2894

TT is a fully developed game that has players kept busy for years at a time. busy! POTC is failing at that

I think you're forgetting that both TT and POTCO players have to wait the same amount of time for huge updates. Players from both TT and POTCO had quit because they're impatient.

On toontown I've maxed one of my toons. I have so many people ask me how I did it. All I did is play a few hours a day like Sarah said. But what happens when the imaptient people who have 4 mastered pirates(Not saying if you have four pirates you're impatient) quit? Then you see less and less higher level people. It's like a cycle. The impatient people quit and the patient people are still there years later with a very high level character.

TT and POTCO can be compared in the sense that both games have impatient players who are demanding content. They can also be compared to how long they take for huge updates. It took 23 months for bossbot HQ to be released and there weren't too many complaints on TTC. In fact, there were more people talking about ideas for bossbot HQ than complaining about it not being out already.

If you can't wait for new content, stop paying for the game. Don't waste your money on a game where content isn't coming out fast enough for you. You'll be saving money and once you start paying again, you still get your stats. I don't see why people keep paying for the game if they're bored with it. Go out and buy a console and a few games to keep you busy. It's working fine with me and I'm not bored. (Although I did make a new pirate today because I'd like to be caught up with some of the people who have multiple mastered pirates.)


I think POTCOs biggest problem is that the game is too easy! In toontown you can't beat the game without help! I'd like to see more quests where you have to do mini-boss-battles with friends. I don't want to go in toontown's direction but why not have boss battles where once we defeated them enough our HP goes up and we get extra attacks, even weapons? POTCO has a lot of content already, but it's not used the same way toontown uses it. For toontown you have to do boss battles over and over again. Sellbot HQ alone will keep you more busy than the first POTCO story quest.

Yes, toontown has more content. The way the developers use the content is what matters. There may be more boss battles in toontown than in POTCO but... POTCO doesn't force you to do the boss battle over and over again to get farther in the game.

Ok, enough of me going on and on about comparing TT and POTCO. You can compare them though. The ages of the games are just numbers. The content is another thing, but it's how the developers make use of the content that matters. *repetitive*