Punishment Game Abusers (Suggestion)
 

I would suggest that big D would set a rule of ponishment for those who abuse the game only for the benefit of gaining REPs, LvL ups weapons, Gold, PvP, and SvS.

The following will be the new punishment for all users breaking the rule

[1st Offense]
3 days ban with all account information reset to previously updated data.

[2nd Offense]
7days ban with all account information reset
(Delete all Gold in account / All weapons lvl in the account reset to lvl 1 / All characters in the account reset to lvl 1 /all stat points set to 1 /ships reset to default (light sloop) )

[3rd Offense]
Permanent Ban.

This will put an end for all the glitches where a pirate benefit him/herself of obtaining any of the aforementioned categories. Unbenifited glitches are excluded from the rule, but must be reported to the big D for fixes (e.g. flying glitch) where a reward (in gold) should be given to thoes mateys who find and 1st report these type of unharm glitches. This will make the game better and fair for everyone. Enough is enough with the pvp and invisibility glitching already, the whole Tortuga on Abassa is full of red lvl Cap pirates. :skull-crossbones1:

What do you think about this suggestion, Matey?

I like the idea Ghostcannon. Sorta tired of this glitch already.... had a lvl 8 on KH doing this while my friend was trying to lvl nades.

Great idear! I'm fed up with it all. Takes the fun out of the game for others who play fair. I tell these pirates many times when I see them that they need to play fair...they think I am fullish. Ran into one in Cuba...fly-trap was spittin venom all over him. I went to his aid to heal him and saw his health was full. Ran into another red level on tortuga...and, of course quite a few using the Invincibility glitch at KH. And this all was in a span of a couple days. I can't understand how these pirates enjoy the game with no challenge. But, what do I no...I'm fullish....

I agree but I disagree...glitches are a part of the game thats gone wrong, so why not use it until its fixed? For example if you are taking a test at school, lets say the teacher accidently leaves an answer on the board..are you going to mark that as your answer, of course.

Hacking is whats wrong and needs to be punished for(when people steal others account, or use a macro to lvl/rank). As for glitches, noone in the game MADE the glitch, its just there.

If there's a bug that allows players to cheat then Disney should fix the bug.
Why punish players for a bug that's in the game to exploit?
The only thing I see worth having a punishment for cheating is the use of anything 3rd party or macro.(which Disney doesn't allow)

Because those exploits, cost revenue.

cost revenue? How? can u explain.

I would think Disney would rather fix a bug rather than punish players for using the bug. If they did do this punishment system, odds are that half the players won't know it's bad.
It would also save some of their paying members.

Don't get me started on this one....lol. I've seen the best of us utilizing "glitches" for whatever reason. Even if it was a one time deal to check it out. I know for a FACT some well renowned pirates (Guild Masters included) have used these glitches at one time or another. I don't have the answer as to exactly how it should be handled. I'm not even sure they can monitor this. Even though we see it going on, what do they have in place on the server end to detect it (if any)?

However, just keep in mind if you are cheating to make the leader board, beat another player in SVS or PVP....that's unacceptable. That truly takes the fun out of the game and ruins it for the honest players. The glitches need to be corrected...and I'm sure there will be more glitches as new content is added. Hang in there gang.

This is what I agree with, glitching and macroing to beat people in svs, pvp, or ranking is wrong....i really dont care if people glitch to lvl. Then again, its the peoples money paying for this game, so they can do anything they want.

Well, unless things have changed, D will not be punishing glitchers - I asked the very specific question a while back and they said they would not do anything to people exploiting glitches in the game (good thing, IMO - the glitches are their fault).


And let me just say again, I do not care if people glitch for reps as long as they don't steal enemies from others while they're doing it.

Also, I still don't think it takes anything away from what others have done. If you leveled the "hard" way (LoL), then yeah, you did more. You know you did more. Forget about what other people are doing and just enjoy your achievement.

agreed
 

I too have this perspective, I see most of the arguments pertaining to affecting others with the glitch, not how it affects one's own self.
Seems every known game has glitches, cheats, hack, whatever you wish to label them as.
I had run 27 game servers and Nationwide Lan Events and at one particular Lan event , my nemisis, and a game hack organization decided to crash our Lan event from the outside in,.. These guys were and are still exploiting and cheating their way around causing havoc. Those who use exploits to disrupt and harm others are pond scum.
A bug or glitch isn't necessarily a bad thing,.. most will be fixed, but some may find their way to becoming part of the game.

I tend to agree with you. The people that use these exploits against others are pond scum (not as descriptive as I would like, but sufficient). I still fail to see what satisfaction one would gain having cheated to win at a game? Is the sense of accomplishment geared towards the win, or is it more about the fact that they found a way to cheat? Either way, it speaks to the lack of ability to play the game.

What games did you run for the LAN's?

On my ps2 ncaa football game I have all the CPU'S abilities turned to the lowest lvl and the "players" one turned all the way up xD but i do play on heisman lvl.

Hey Rackat,
the Game organizations were (assuming i can name this, if not please feel free to remove..and me apologies) cTs Organization and Cal-lan ... both are defunct.
Cal-lan was formed a year after the big one that exists at Portland, Matt...aka Vector still runs his and has done fantastic and achieved much more than I ever did although we had many of the same sponsors, he is expert in the Administration end. Life issues took me from traveling and I had to step down.
We ran many HL/Valve based games and mods including Counter Strike 1.5 (<-- when we started) CS 1.6, Condition Zero, CS:S, Digital Paintball, a HL Mod, Day of Defeat, DoD:S, Battlefiled 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2 Ranked, Unreal Tournament
and a few others,.. Ahhh,.. good memories... fast times. I was with nVidia at their booth at the 2004 World Cyber games in San Fran, Ca.

:)

Obviously there are people in the game who haven't bothered to report these bugs.
Players shouldn't be punished for something the developers won't fix.

It would also take a while to make something to detect players who use bugs. And guess what? That means more time working on things that won't be new content.

I'd rather have the developers work on new content than waste time trying to punish players for little exploits they haven't bothered to fix. It also means losing players which means losing money. I don't think Disney will do that.

Are more people leaving because of lack of content, or pervasive exploits? Perhaps I am in the minority. But ignoring both, costs them revenue.

That said, to have their moderators implement a system of holding players accountable for their actions, is a low-cost fix that they can do. Having their programmers (limited resources) add content, is quite a separate thing.

By training their moderators to expel people from the game, when caught cheating, very few people will go out of their way to glitch (as so very many now, do.)

Glitching often makes for a heck of a screenshot, and a heck of good time. Quite frankly, some of the most fun stuff to do in the game is stuff that I'm pretttttty sure wasn't intended to even be there.

For instance, Swash II just shook my mind when he walked up by himself, ascending into the heavens: nothing wrong there. I had a good time hanging with my pal Balto having glitched into the shipwright's ship. For the most part, glitches are harmless. (Granted, those should be fixed, but sometimes the new updates have fun unexpected things coming with them.)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that a moderator would penalize harmless glitches. This discussion is about penalizing people who abuse exploits.

Seems to be just as harmless I think; ranking among other players is the only place where I think it is a legitimately-called problem (as in, having an edge in combat against them). Those shouldn't even be seeing the light of day, but, in an effort to rush to please, they do.

Every sort of exploitable thing should be documented on Test, if not by a player, then at least by a designer. They should be looking into the history of past glitches, seeing what causes them, and then avoiding the same means by which they came. I don't thing other games come along with a horde of new glitches every time they update, but I may be wrong.

Harmless or not it's a waste of the developers time.
Making something that can detect players using glitches is harder than most of use may think. How would they create a system that kNOWS when a player is doing a glitch they shouldn't be doing?

My main concern is, why do some people care if others glitch to cheat? All you have to do is report these glitches and Disney will fix them.

Besides, I don't think disney will ban some of their paying customers for using a glitch they haven't fixed yet.

Again, this entire thread, as I see it, has nothing to do with developer's time. It has to do with moderators' time. Monitoring players actions is already something they do; they should instead take more direct action when they see someone using an exploit. Maybe that is as simple as training the moderators better.

Furthermore, your assertion that reported glitches get fixed overnight is ridiculous. Instant desolation, anyone? Invulnerability, anyone? Invisibility, anyone? Skeleton/infinite ammo, anyone? C'mon, these are the oldest glitches in the game.

Lastly, they do ban paying customers every day, for chat system abuses. Why then, should more severe exploits be condoned?

That's what I really ment. The punishment rule will only apply to those who abuse the game for his/her own befinit in improving his/her pirate stats. Harmless glitches like the flying glitch and those types whoever is doing these should not be punished, but if reported he/she should get a reward (per say, 500 gold coins).

Edward and you are right on the last line as well... Paying customers get banned everyday for abusing the chat system...losing Money for Big D is not an issue. The same rule of abusing the chat system is the same rule "[1st Offense]" for those who abuse the game-play.

All I mean is that if there is a set of punishment rule for chat abuse, there should also be a punishment rule for game-play abuse. That will make the whole game better, more challenging, and fair for everyone.

Sorry but I've never seen a moderator in the game before. The moderators I haven't seen deal with helping the players.(live chat, customer support, etc...)

I still don't see why players should be banned for exploits that can be fixed.(you also have to realize how many players won't know they'll get banned for these exploits.)

They also suspend paying customers every day for not abusing the chat system, even for saying innocent things to people they know in real life. They usually don't consider the full context of what was said, only that "OMG personal information! Bad Bad!" equals a vacation.

Which is why a warning should be issued first. Most of the time, Disney does their 3 day suspensions on Fridays, probably to avoid phone calls since they're out for the weekend and the suspension will be up on Monday anyway when they do get a phone call. By outright suspending people for something that they may not be aware was wrong, they risk losing the account when the customer gets upset and cancels their subscription. Of course they risk that with chat suspensions as well.

Punish people who exploit that results in cheating, especially when it harms others' gameplay and enjoyment; though I'm sure it may be difficult to prove they were cheating in the first place. These bugs are unintended so they probably aren't logging when the unexpected happens. If they knew what triggered it, they would just fix it in the first place.

If people didn't look for/use exploits, this would be a non issue. (Don't need a discourse reply on; but they will and do, or, it's human nature to do it)

I have heard many excuses from players as to why they svs glitch, the worst being: well, everybody else does... if you/me/we don't, then there is no way you can win. Just another example of someone trying to justify their actions to themself with no responsibility.

I feel bad for the kids who try to svs with 18 - 50 y/o adolescents who feel the need to waggle their...

If people can't/don't enjoy the game as it was intended to be played, maybe they should find another game to play.

I agree with ya Ghostcannon, 100%. I personally think Disney should be ban happy.

I do believe they are more concerned about sharing of personal information that could lead to potential legal battle. All it takes is a minor to provide email (or other personal info) to an adult and the rest could get extremely ugly (very costly for Disney). Glitching into a wall or trying to level a weapon glitched is minor compared to someone causing harm to another due to sharing of personal info.

I have heard of several folks getting banned due to content of conversations with others. Most of the time they were attempting to exchange email addresses or other info. A friend of mine in the game was sent the chat transcript from Disney when he questioned why he was banned for 24 hours. He was trying to provide his email address to another player in the game.

So you have the players point of view and Disney's point of view....vastly different I can assure you. Ultimately, we would hope a majority of their focus is on improving the game. What we feel is crucial might be a grain of salt to Disney.

:mybadki6:

Fix the glitchs, dont punish those playing with them.
However, I do believe disciplinary actions should be taken on those exploiting them against others such in SVS/PVP, or if its effecting leaderboards perhaps.

One of the issues I do not think some realize when comparing actions taken on chat, to actions taken on utilizing glitchs is that chat logs are recorded. With chat, since this is all logged, there is proof of indescretion, to act upon. Glitchs, by their nature are not expected by development, and thereby somewhat impossible to track. Unless the glitching player submits his/her local game log files (not very likely), they are not going to have any viable proof that its actually a glitch being exploited.

Lets face it if they could detect when someone used a "glitch" then it would be pretty easy to resolve all glitchs. Images/screenshots can be altered, so externally represented 'proof' is still not worthy enough for them to 'act' upon.

I see this only a possibility for a worse problem than they have ever had before. Some of these last posts were talking about what has happen with chat, and ban's. Implementing something like this would be ten fold in problems. Chat in itself has had a huge discrepancy in what you can and can not say. People have left over issues over chat ban's and no set rules other than what someone feels at the moment to ban players. Guild site OK, Not OK, Not OK with Vent info etc.

Now lets put this in place, how many of you used hex shot before the change to level on gypsies, molusk etc. Well apparently you all should be ban, it wasn't suppose to be that way. Can you imagine the problems to a decreasing membership game things like this would cause.

As for #2 offense, hate to say it, but that would be a plus many would try to get. At least to the point of previous characters not done, being able to get the first level weapons again to level better.

The fact is , there are people like me on test, that will actually do just that = test. Wall glitches, Invulnerability, or how much rep can be gained off one kill etc. If they are not fixed, they go to live, plus others are always being found. To punish players for their own incompetence is a ridiculous idea. Hopefully from the huge screw up with chat that lessons was somewhat learned.

I for one am all for equal play for all, and use of exploits against other players a injustice to their play. Such things as leaving quick cast desolation, or skipped combos in the game since tavern take over is not players fault. When a player has things like skipped combos when there was freedom to choose how to build a character, they are to be ban if they swing there dagger or cutlass ever? Disney made a choice to make this injustice, and had notice before its release, but chose to do so. So when they are making choices to do these things to players, I find it hard to fathom the thought at all to penalize players for it.

Don't get me wrong though, I think the invisible king's glitch and disengaging enemies, is a big problem that should be dealt with. As well as several other issues effecting everyone's play. The trouble is they are not be dealt with and definitely not in a timely manner when they are. Similar to giving mastered pirates something to do.

I see a lot of valid points made, but there are a couple I'd like to address:

* People try to find glitches because there is no penalty for being caught.

I see this proposal as DIRECTLY countering that mistake. By having absolutely no penalty for glitching, Disney is encouraging it implicitly.

* Screen shots can be modified, but chat logs can be modified more easily. They are no more or less valid in any way.

* Accidental glitches might be encountered; it would be the moderator's discretion to see if this person had been reported before/recently/frequently, etc. If not, they could choose to just log the person off and send an e-mail warning.

It you got booted when caught, there would be an incentive to NOT cheat. There would be an incentive to not search for exploits. As it stand now, exploits are condoned.

There are plenty of people on test that test everything who also play live. So those on test would have a free rain to test everything than bring it to live already knowing. So searching will still always be there.

People will look for glitches, but the compounded problem right now is so many have nothing else to do.

The biggest point of all is the moderator's discretion. This is the past history that has shown a problem, and running people off the game. One mod thinks its ok, another not. Receiving these alternate views will have many ban. Players already at their limits would not receive this well.

Players themselves have one view versus another. A good example of this is ship glitching and flying. How many have said how they like this and it is harmless? Yet the table turns quickly when someone uses the same flying glitch to have a advantage in something like the curse at Tortuga.

I can imagine the feelings now by kids who get ban cause they just heard about the flying glitch and try it out. Or the one out of 6 getting banned doing a undead glitch while their friends aren't. The result of a mod banning those flying harmless that the day before a mod said it was OK. To add this new scenario, you just got ban for someone porting to ya on a svs ship and considered glitched, now no chance to get on test and have free rain, lol. Then where do all those cheats get posted when people are banned from game and no longer give a hoot.

The thing that needs to take place here is these things eliminated from the game. There is a good size group here that thinks Disney is doing a great job, and to be patient and positive.
Remember Hex shot, it didn't get changed for at least 9 months. These things I really doubt are condoned, but more likely they are stuck between a rock and hard spot. Some just not getting fixed at least as fast as we would like to see.

With so many of these out there, why should we be getting banned and black marks to our accounts. When some of these we don't even identify as a glitch. I never considered hex shot glitched before. If darkhart heals, and you get more rep, is this a glitch, if so why does he heal. With such perfect latency in this game, you lag and he heals, would we be forced to leave attacking him, and him glitched so others can't fight him? Using a cheat card for BJ, would this be now ban. Maybe just when for max gold? Using a 1st level weapons so its easy to get lots of rep, this a glitch and we forced to used the upgrade decreased rep weapons. Where is this breakdown at? Agh, left for a mod and if they are in a good mood or bad.

I think just a little more thought should be put into something like this before wishing this on yourself.

shouldn't be the best thing to do is to report the glitch? or maybe D knows about those glitch and want pirates to find them and use them, if thats the case then its notthe pirates fault to use it, and like most of us said its their money, its their time, its their game, im not saying im against glitching or with glitching for me its a matter or personal choices, u may have 4 lvl 40 pirates in ur account but they are 40 coz of glitching that's on the player i guess what im trying to say is its not good tohave glitch in the game and to use it but its not also bad to use it to ur advantage .......hey we are playing pirate...........so i say i'll stay in themiddle on this one

If reported glitches were fixed, then reporting them would be the way to go. Since they never are, I personally don't see the point of that.

Perhaps your guild likes to use glitching against other pirates a lot. Mine does not, nor do I. Glitching to cheat other pirates is always wrong.

Regarding Poison Elf's comments, I believe I said training the moderators somewhere back there. Yes, their past application of their rules has been very random. With glitches, it is easier to say "undead on tortuga: logout" or "jail-door/god-mode: logout" or "infinite take cover in SvS: logout and delete pirate"* or whatever they decide on, for each glitch observed. About hex-eater: can you honestly say you were not taken aback the first time you saw that? You didn't know it wasn't right, then? At any rate, numerous people think the developer's time is better spent adding content. Which is why the moderators should have a more active role, with what goes on in the game; they should be banning cheaters, not encouraging more to cheat. This proposal sounds at least like something in the right direction.

a noble idea, but lets not forget that what big D thinks is a ban-worthy offense and what we real people think is a ban-worthy offense is often completely different. if they did this, there would be a lot of banned people that really didnt do anything wrong....

i definitely agree about reporting glitches... its really aggravating that disney refuses to fix some really game-hindering glitches.

on the other hand, there are those glitches that are harmless and dont affect the game. for example, the empty kingshead glitch. this glitch is great for meetings/guild parties/etc, but is useless for quests because the crates and dig spots are not present. it would be completely unfair to punish pirates using this glitch (and other similar glitches) because they do not lessen the game for themselves or others. like you said, the mods would have to be trained well, but due to prior experiences with disney, id be scared that even simple glitches (or glitching on accident) would result in a ban.

I have some unorganized posts in this thread.
I'll try to make my point.

It would cost less for Disney to fix bugs rather than ban players for using these exploits. If they fix all the bugs then there's no exploits to use for get players banned. This will save some of the paying customers and will also insure for a more challening game.

I would rather see Disney look at chat logs. Some other posts here talk about how people will try and give their personal information to others. I'm glad Disney made sure players couldn't give away their email address to others. We don't always know the player behind the pirate. Good or bad it isn't safe.

Now there's glitches that are reproted but not fixed. From my experience on toontown I can see not all bugs are 'easy' to fix. There was one bug that toontown fixed after four years. Obviously they knew it was there if it was fixed.
Some of us may not know what it's like being a developer. I personally have no idea how they would fix a bug or exploit.
All I know is that they will try their hardest to fix these bugs.

We are Pirates. Our slogan: Take what you can, give nothing back! If we find a glitch, we use it until its fixed. It doesn't mean we hack into the game and set all our lvs and gold to the highest. i think its fine.

My opinion about this is that its not cheating using glitches, unless you are using a 3rd party system (which Disney will ban you for), or using it on another player for an advantage over them specifically. For example, I don't think its cheating to use the invincibility glitch on kingshead, because everyone can do the glitch. I can do it, you can do it, everyone can do it, and it is Disney's own fault when it comes to the glitches. We're just exploiting them to Disney, and in a way, helping them because Disney could really just google many major glitches, and get the answer on how to do them within 10 minutes. I believe it is cheating if you're using glitches in an svs or pvp, because of the circumstances. You may be on a glitch, but the person you're up against probably can't go and do the same glitch (and thats even if the person (people) knows the glitch).

For those who really want all glitches fixed immediately, you have to take into account a lot of factors:
1. Disney is trying to fix glitches, but they have to make sure that when they fix a glitch in Tortuga for example, they don't have a game crash in Padres, because thats how delicate this game is. Edward, asking to fix glitches immediately is a tall order for Disney. On TT, the report floating glitch was reported from Day 1, and it took 7 months to fix it. Its the same concept on every MMORPG.

2. If you're doing the invincibility glitch for example kingshead, Disney's logs can only see you walking around on kingshead, they sadly cannot see that you are taking damage and not going to jail, because of the nature of the glitch. Its the same thing with a lot of glitches.

3. You can't ban everyone who uses glitches, because some people end up in a glitch accidently. When I first started, I fell into the invincibility glitch on accident at Fort Charles, and I didn't even realize until I saw that I couldn't leave or teleport. Should I really be banned forever because I fell in a glitch accidently?

4. There are many harmless glitches out there, you really want me banned for using the empty kingshead glitch, when I can't do any tasks or anything?

5. Disney purposely keeps some glitches because glitches can be fun for many people, and they win if someone is still paying that $10 a month just because they love glitches. Like another example with me, I might not pay another $80 for a year on TT, because the recent update with Toon Parties got rid of so many fun glitches. However, people who use cheat engines are going against the legal agreement you sign when you sign up for POTCO, and they should be banned.

6. MacIronHawk is correct that it would cost Disney a lot to ban all people who use glitches, come on, that would mean cutting so many players, who are not going to pay POTCO anymore because they are banned. That could easily be a 10K loss every month! And because of the lack of new things on POTCO, they're already losing players, which they really can't afford to do.

7. The moderator department at Disney is much more concerned about keeping kids safe, not about glitches. Would you rather them be concerned more about glitches? Because I sense catastrophe with that notion.

8. Well, sharpy is right, Disney is supporting pirates after all...... :laughks2:

The only other point I have to make is that when I say all this, I am talking about in game glitches that aren't being used against other players. As I have stated before, cheat engines, or using a glitch for the leader boards/ svs/ pvp is unacceptable as akamystic said.


EDIT: I think it would be a horrid idea to offer gold as a reward for reporting members, because that means everyone is going to try and destroy the game by reporting everyone in sight just for some gold. Its motivation, but not good motivation.

I do agree that 'players' who short-cut their abilities etc. are effectively thumbing their nose at those of us who earned our levels, gold, etc. But, there is something to be said about the idea that pirates 'do what it takes to take what they want'.

But, that is the 'spirit' of the game - not the letter of rules. How would you feel if someone was using a 3rd party Mod that gave them all the levels, weapons etc. right from the start? Personally, I'd pity that person, because what else would they have to do except PvP.

Is there any TRUE way to track cheaters? Likely not. Just seal the holes and rely on other players to RAT out those who do. Even then, wouldn't they have to MONITOR the accused?

There should be retribution, but permanent banning? That's a little much - especially when they want that $10.00 a month. Starting them back, like when you get caught cheating at cards is justice enough.

I find it ironic.. Don't the GM's in game do this very thing? Not by hacking or by a third party but still.. they all seem to magically be at the same level.. (not sure if it's set like that but if it is).. it just strikes me as funny :)

Sorry mates that was a tad off topic lol

Dude it's a game if other people want to glitch there way to the top then fine good for them if you want to work your way to the top then good for you.
If people cheat in Pvp then don't pvp if people cheat in SvS then don't SvS in that server. Really what I ask you people that think all glitchers should be punished is why do you care? Really people and I've been told and seen people be told this a lot: Take care of yourself before worrying about your neighbor. Really why do you guys care about other people being better than you. If you know someones glitched to 40 and you earned your 40 then good for you, but embrace the fact that your both a 40. Basically heres a myself situation: One of my friends boosted on Halo 3 to a higher rank than me I earned my rank so what do I tell my friends, I tell them I'm a higher rank than him. Also where you said all non-beneficial glitches should be fixed, but then the fun is sucked right out of the game. A lot of old glitches were fun, Big-D removed them now the game isn't fun anymore.

First off - if someone cheats in PvP or SvS, it is affecting ME. THAT'S why I care. Switching servers is next to pointless - glitches are used everywhere. If you manage to find a server where no one is cheating, well, enjoy it because it's only a matter of time before a cheater shows up. So, caring about glitches like this IS "taking care of myself before worrying about my neighbor."

Secondly - if someone glitches to 40, ehh, it's not for me but it isn't affecting my game - so I agree with you. It's your game experience - if glitching to 40 is what floats your boat, then go for it, have fun. Again, it's not for me, but as long as it isn't used AGAINST me, I won't moan about it.

As far as someone "being better than me," if someone is cheating in PvP or SvS, they are certainly NOT better than me, regardless of whether they "win" or not.

I'm not quite grasping the Halo analogy. If I'm level 30 and my friend is 35, do I just tell people I'm 40? Hmm, I don't get it.

I really don't see removing glitches as "sucking the fun out of the game." I'm generally okay with glitches being fixed, provided (Edward, lol ;) ) that it is actually FIXED. But as I said in an early post - some of the cool, harmless glitches can stick around.

Thats a little harsh. I don't care unless they're rep-stealing, ranking, PvPing or otherwize exploitation. perhaps a small ban or fine is needed for abusers. but I Have ran into glitches accidentally and was unable to get out of them. Disney DOES need to FIX THEM! So that there are no exploiters!

I'd rather have the folks down at Disney fix the bugs. If there's no bugs or glitches to exploit then no one can affect anyone's playing ability.

I consider "glitching" and "cheating" two different things; however, they are very similar. Glitching i consider to be, well, fun (except stupid god glitches). I'm not saying i am a glitcher, but the ones like the wall glitches seem fun. Now, macros i consider cheating. Why can't people just play for themselves, were is the fun?

And i think your idea is WAY TOO HARSH! Completely remove data for glitching?? I disagree, to a degree.

And there's the rub!

Who deteremines what RANKING means? Leveling your pirate up? or claiming a spot on the top 100 for yourself or your guild? And is it just for glitches such as the old KH invincibility glitch, or for simple wall hacks that let you behing the bar in the tavern? How about loading a ship with all four of your pirates so that one can gain crew bonus while the other 3 are AFK? or so that all 4 get credit for sinking the ships so your guild RANKS in the standings? How about macro users? or those who use an automated device so that they aren't even at the computer while it ranks for them?

Before you can make any punishments, the rules MUST BE better defined! Without definitons for these items, there can be no punishment or even true further discussion in this regard. Everything else is just venting your frustration.

Before they punish anyone they should get their act together and fix the bugs and glitches. It'd be such a waste of time for Disney to ban people for glitches that they can fix.

If anyone disagrees with me, I really want a complicated answer.

On a different note, using a macro can get you banned. Way back when, some people on toontown used a macro to train their doodles. These people never had to retrain their doodles. Data is saved automatically and is never reset by the POTCO devs. If you use a macro, eventually the POTCO staff will know about it. You really don't want to know what will happen if you use a macro to level up your pirate.

Well, of course they're going to ban someone using a macro; its a third party system. The user license agreements clearly states that third party systems are never allowed, and will result in immediate banning. If you use a computer function or software, they will have no mercy if you get caught. That means that cheat engines, macros, or maybe even the speed glitch can get you booted for good.

i used the infinate ammo glitch to level my cannon up ALOT but then when i stoped doing it my comp started acting funny w hen i played the game and lag shot up a good 83% from before so when my computed finaly kicked the bucket and i got a new hard drive i reinstalld and here i am today telling this story that even the most common people have made exploits... i didnt even know what was going on all i knew was that i was a zombie shooting infinate lightning bolts at the warlord and i was a happy:laughks2: camper:laughks2: this is a very low budget project thanks to the stimulus"which i got 6 bucks from so i bought lunch" makign almost all the money drop in value giving it to people that need it or dont either way i believe that harmless glitches are perfectly legit pieces of :12_1_138: and shouldnt be thot to much of but exploits in PVP SVS are pure :skull: and need to be turned into a :skull: players shouldnt be punished for what the company neglects to fix. that is my text wall of information/opinion live with it or i will feed you to the :th_shark: