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War Sloop worth it?
Today I just reached 20k gold and level 15 sailing, and my thoughts were:" Should i buy the war sloop, and use the sloop to get a war galleon, or is a war sloop a waste of 20k,and should just save for the war galleon?" I wouldn't know because I never owned a war sloop.
Davy's thread states: "War Sloop: In my opinion, the best ship for those who don't have speed upgrades. Very fast, fairly good health stats, adequate number of cannons cannons, broadsides, cargo space, and crew space. I rate this ship a 8.5/10.:ship: War Galleon: Fairly slow ship, but lots of cargo space, quite a bit of cannons, broadsides, and crew space make this a fantastic ship. If you have the speed upgrades, pick this ship if you can't afford the War Frigate. Great boat, but save up for the War Frigate if you want to wait. I rate this ship a 9/10.":ship: I need some opinions on whether or not i should buy it, and ill total it. I just cant decide myself between those 2 quotes. Happy pirate'n, maties! :piratewheelgo2::pirate3: |
I would say yea! It still holds quit a bit of space for plunderin and its fast and has pretty good health.
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Depends on how you feel about sloops and how you sail. I prefer sloops over the other ships because I like their speed and agility so for me the answer is a resounding yes. Others who prefer either galleons or frigates would probably be better off skipping the sloop and saving for the war frigate or war galleon.
The regular frigate is an excellent little ship and can take on any enemy ship out there and is very tough. If you look here (scroll down) you'll see that it has some advantages over the war sloop. Better armor and a little more fire power for example. All boils down to how much you car about speed and agility. If you have owned the regular ships of each class and you prefer one over the others thats the first war class ship you should get. Because the war ships are about the same to drive as their regular class counterparts. If you still can't make up your mind try sailing friends ships to see what they are like. |
how many broadsides does the war sloop have? how much cargo? statistics would probably help. Currently, i have just a frigate.
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My opinion on the War Sloop:
- Fast - Good maneuverability - Great for SVS (with solid crew) - Great for Island hopping - Fun to sail - Why not own all 3 War Ships? LOL Robert Darkskull Pistols N Bladez :ship: |
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If you really love Ship vs. Ship (SvS) then get the war sloop. If you are trying to raise gold, save up for the war galleon...it pays for itself quickly (much faster than a war sloop or a war frigate.)
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I'm actually disappointed at the stats of the war sloop. it costs 20k, and most stats are lower than my regular frigate's, which costs 5k. I mean, even though it's fast and agile, it doesn't make up for its stats. Like dan said, it matters whether or not you care about speed,but i don't think you get the bang for your buck.
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a war sloop is the fastest of all the ships you can get to islands fast and its the best for svs to i use the war sloop alot
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The War Sloop seems to be better than the stats say.
I can make fast turns and dodge enemy fire most of the time. The only downside I can see is that it doesn't hold as much cargo as the other war ships. The War Frigate would still be your best buy. |
Regarding speed:
All trips you might make to a specific island in questing, will be about a minute of sailing. (If you TP to the right place first, of course.) Cutting off 2 to 5 seconds from those trips might not be worth it. In SvS, speed makes a difference, but nowhere else. Shots from NPC ships can be avoided just as easily from a war galleon as a war sloop (it goes by the skills of the captain - tacking/windcatcher, etc.) So, unless you love SvS (and are a competent SvS captain) I'd skip the war sloop and get the war galleon for big plunder & fast money. War frigate is showy like desolation, but its so-called advantages are not worth the extra gold, in my opinion. Note also that the pitch and yaw of each cannon on a war sloop varies more than a war frigate (and cannon pitch and yaw varies a lot more on a war frigate, than on a war galleon.) So if you get a war sloop, you're inadvertently being cruel to your gunners (unless they memorize every cannon offset.) For plunder, if you sail alone a lot, then you will want the heavy-duty broadsides of the war galleon. |
My experience is very different from Edward's. I agree with Mac that the Sloop is a much better ship then the numbers suggest. It is not only much faster and more agile then other ships, it is also a much smaller target.
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1. Use cannon only - park my ship at a good distance from the enemy ( just beyond compass range) tag it with thunderbolts so it comes towards me and once in compass range start hitting it with fire or lead. Sinking the ship before it can broadside me. In this case I don't care what kind of ship it is, as long as it has a cannon and floats. 2. Using strictly broadsides. I n this case I prefer the sloop first and then the frigate. How anyone can stand driving the big, fat, slow, lumbering, clumsy, sluggish barge we call a galleon is beyond my comprehension. I'd rather swim out and bang my head against the hull of the enemy ship then sail solo on a galleon ( not that I've actually tried this technique). 3. if my target is in a cluster of nasty looking enemies, draw it out with cannon till it is alone then attack it with broadsides. Ship choice is the same as number 2. I also prefer the sloop for quest that require particular ships ( say the ever allusive Corvette). You can cover more ground faster and if you see one off at distance you can catch it. That said, if I have a reasonably capable crew and the object is plunder then I like the galleon because then maneuverability and speed aren't so important and the extra cargo room is. For helping crew mates get rep I like the frigate, it has the most attack options and can take a beating if necessary. This is getting longer then I like, but I'll make one final point. I prefer the sloop because it suits ME. What Edward or others say will not change that, not because I don't have a high regard for their opinions, I do, but rather because through my own experience and experimentation I have learned that the sloop fits my style to a T. Others, through the same methodology reach other conclusions about what best suits THEM. The only wrong answer is to let others decide for you instead of finding out for yourself. |
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Golden Luck at the tables is the fastest way to get all 3. As well, it isn't necessarily the fastest way to get all 3, reason being: a) you start with 20,ooo, of which may either be invested in the War Sloop or laid in wait for the War Galleon; b) the point of similarity where both situations merge at a destination is the point where you get both ships first; hence, the question is, can you get 40,ooo with a War Sloop first or can you get 20,ooo with a non-war ship and then 20,ooo with a War Galleon sooner?
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Actually the Reg. galleon holds 11 while the war sloop holds 9. So maybe the best way to start your war fleet is to keep your reg. galleon and use it to get gold for the war galleon. from there, crew up and work Mariners Reef using the reg galleon as back up.
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War Gally
I use the War Galleon more then any other ship I own for plundering gold with or without a crew. When I sail alone I use a different strategy sinking ships then when I have a crew. Either way I seldom get hit and rarely sink (although I did manage to sink Sunday watching football and sailing at the same time, not recommended) I use my War Sloop for SVS only. It doesn't make sense to use it any other place so if your not interested in changing all your stats so they are best for SVS don't bother with the War Sloop, there will always be someone better/faster sinking you. Save the gold and use the Regular Galleon until you have enough gold for the War Galleon. It will be good practice learning to sail it in the long run anyway.
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Am I the only one who remembers the thread started by Zeppers where Zeppers said the ships with less hold get better quality? I know it was kind of old and all, and might have been patched away, but I've never seen a point reach a different conclusion. The returns from all 3 war ships were generally the same as I recall.
That being said, let it also be said that I wouldn't really know what I'm talking about, having not tried it myself, but I do remember the thread. |
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i'd still go for the war frigate, but if ur lacking gold any ship is good sloop are good for their speed, galley's are best with cargo and war kinda like in between sloop and galley for speed and cargo but more firepower and also very expensive, go with ur instinct or what u want, then save for the war frigate
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I do concur, each pirate should go with his/her own heart and choose the vessel that best suits their style/preferences. Quote:
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" ...more often its a case of being quick enough to be hard to hit and being a small target rather then any fancy moves to dodge cannonballs." In essense what I'm saying is that: All things being equal, the sloop being smaller, faster and quicker is less likely to get hit then a galleon. These are inherent attributes of the two ships and have nothing to do with the captain or anything else. You're quite right, knowing your enemy is important regardless of ship type. |
I think that post, which does exist in memory (yet, if it is not in existance, my mind must be one heck of a crazy dimension) is probably irrelevant, since they did mention in updates increasing the gold gotten from endeavors and all---so I'll concur, not that I know what it means to concur.
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The pirate ship's direction and speed seem to affect that calculation, but not the pirate ship type (from what I've seen.) |
I mostly sail solo and to be honest am able to fill the cargo hold in my war galleon quickly against high level ships without taking much if any damage. but i also have a ton of experience sailing which has a great deal to do with my success. that said, for me, i don't see much of an advantage the war sloop has over the galleon.
if you are working on your first pirate and are still getting your sea legs then yes i think a war sloop is an excellent choice. the extra speed and manuverability will certainly help you out of sticky situations. and as edward stated...in SvS the war sloop is the preferred ship...especially with a crew. |
Personally, I'd try to save for a bigger ship first. A war sloop is certainly a must-have, but it'll be much easier to get a war sloop later than a war gal or frig later. =]
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I think our different views on this may have to do with different sailing styles. If you sail in a manner similar to the method discribed in your superlative guide Sailing by COMPASS the sloops advantages will rarely if ever come in to play so you will understandably shrug your shoulders and say "why bother with a sloop?" If you sail like I like to do, getting up close behind the enemy and hitting them with alternating broadsides as fast as you can you will see the advantages of a sloop real quick, especially if you have to sail along side the ship to get in position behind them. In the sloop the cannon fire and broadsides often fly over or land behind and sometimes can be avoided with a hard turn. If you try this method with a galleon things can get ugly fast. First almost everything hits you, nothing flies over you and little behind you, the misses are few (target area?). But the worst part is you'll have a very hard time getting into position because you can 't make sharp turns and you don't have the speed. For the same reasons you'll have a hard time maintaining your position behind the enemy ship. |
Very interesting. You are very correct, when you say I did not consider that driving style. I use that method on new pirates for sailing level 1-5 with some degree of success, but always go back to distance methods as the new pirate graduates to better ships. I'm not sure I ever consciously acknowledged that that method even works for high level enemy ships. You can't actually sink a predator or a corsair that way, can you? When I tried it just now, the first two volleys missed due to my windcatcher, but when I was hit, went to jail (from that one stray shot.) Maybe I've forgotten entirely how to drive a sloop (but I doubt it, as that is almost exclusively what I use when I sail in SvS.)
You point out something very, very valid. If your driving style is the up-close to the enemy aft style, a sloop can help a great deal. By sailing level 15, I assume most people have switched to more effective methods. So, unless they are vehement about that aft-driving style, most people will build their war fleet much faster, by starting with the war galleon. (That was the question in the original post, right?) |
He asked if the War Sloop is a waste of 20k. Since I seem to pick up that it is an essential to have for PvP, I'd say not.
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Yes you can sink any enemy ship that way even with a reg sloop and maybe a lite, but I haven't tried it - its tougher with enemy sloops like the corsair and predator . because they can out maneuver you if your not on the ball (and as you experienced, the corsairs explosives are murder). It's riskier then other methods, but thats why its fun. I don't always use that method, just with the sloop and some times a frigate. I'll use a method much like yours with the galleon and the frigate. I rarely use this method with a crew, unless I want to get rid of them lol. I get bored with the distance methods pretty easily.
One factor also is gold is rarely my motivation. My motivations are in order: fun, rep and questing, either for myself or friends and guildmates. If I'm helping others get rep I use the frigate first then galleon , helping others get gold galleon first then frigate. Solo questing, or rep for myself, usually the sloop. Just for fun, going after the big ships on my reg or war sloop. EDIT: Forgot to answer your question - tho I answered indirectly before - to get gold in a hurry and hence get your war fleet sooner - yes I agree go with reg galleon till you can get a war galleon and take it from there. Actually, I think the question was - is a sloop worth it. That varies depending on your goals and preferences. |
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yes yes yes yes and double yes. its perfect for staying in back of ships to not get hit, and its sorta tough. its also good to use for cannon skill training
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in my experiences, i feel the medium frigate is superior to the war sloop. so with my pirates, i purchased the light frigate first, medium frigate next, then the war galleon. after you get the war galleon, the amount of broadsides and cargo room will quickly earn you gold and rep when saving for the war sloop and war frigate.
i only like war sloops in svs, especially with a crew. that's just my style of course, do whatever you are comfortable with. |
I also like the War Sloop for SVS. I purchased the War Galleon first for big loot runs....then the War Frigate....and last but far from least the War Sloop. IMO you must have all 3...even if you don't use them all...it's bragging rights....lol
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When I actually timed short runs from Port Royal to Devil's Anvil, the war sloop was two seconds faster than the light sloop. But in general sailing, it never seems faster, so perhaps I just had too much lag/random interference when I timed it. The only place a war sloop really shines, is in SvS with a crew of 5. But since you want to be level 40 before attempting serious SvS, you'll have more fun and advance your pirate faster if you skip the war sloop initially. |
Is the W Frigate really worth it? sure its strong, but it seems it's only use would be in PVP what with all of its cannons. The W Galleon has a better broadside.
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Pros War Sloop - Fast, very maneuverable, great for SVS and island hopping War Galleon - Largest cargo space for loot runs, most powerful broadsides, rear cannons have a great turning radius War Frigate - Strongest hull, most cannons (including front), largest crew space (12), also great for SVS Cons War Sloop - Small cargo hold, hull mediocre, awkward cannon placement War Galleon - Large target, hull could be better, no front cannons War Frigate - Holds less cargo than War Galleon, top cannon view blocked when sails are down, rear cannon radius is limited IMO -- good to have all 3...each serves a purpose |
To add to AKA's post:
Pros War Sloop: Water Taxi! Gets you where you need to go... fast. War Galleon: Large cargo and great for Plundering solo ( those rear cannons) or with a good size crew. War Frigate: Those front facing guns makes it the best ship for when you only have 1 to 4 gunners. The guns can take enemy ships head on, and the Capn can be backing up to keep the enemy from firing back. Almost invincible that way. Cons War Sloop: Limited fire power, Easily sunk. War Galleon: All guns are for broadsides only. Means you are open to enemy return fire. War Frigate: Not as good as a Gall when sailing alone. Smaller cargo means that you have to port more often if you are doing pure plunder. My order of buying ships: ( just my opinion) Light Sloop - given to ya. Skip the other "Light" class ships. First ship to buy: Regular frigate when you can. 5K isn't that much, and you can now carry 9 cargo, and use the advantages already mentioned. This ship will help you get sailing to level 15 faster than the regular Galleon or Sloop. Keep the light sloop for speed runs to other islands. Second ship to buy: War Galleon as soon as you hit level 15 sail and have the gold. This is the ship you will use to earn the gold you need for anything else you want to buy. Keep the Frigate for small crew action, and the light sloop for speed runs. (Some people stop here. This is enough to keep them happy.) Third ship to buy: War Frigate, when you can afford it. Sell the regular frigate in order to make space for it. Last ship to buy: War Sloop last. Sell the light sloop to make room. My current pirate, I skipped the War Galleon and went stright to the War Frigate first. I had the 60K in gold, so why not? |
I love all my babies for different reasons.
My Own Pros War Sloop: If you Ship PvP, none better - unless you have no gunners. War Galleon: One simple reason. More CARGO in the HOLD War Frigate: Love the front guns. My favorite tactic is to engage a big enemy and back away as the forwards pound it to splinters. My Own Cons War Sloop: Not for a slugging match. War Galleon: Firing angle. Your gunnies can't see forward or back. War Frigate: Only limited by cargo space when plundering and speed in PvP. |
Personally I prefer my War Galleon. Yes it is slower than a sloop but it makes up for it. It does hold a lot of gold! And she takes hits very well. Great armor imo. Speed to get to islands is not important to me unless I need to make a quick get away and thats when I use full sail or ram speed to get out of there. My War Galleon serves me well. :piratewheelgo2:
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In my opinion the war sloop is a great ship if your maxed on your gold. If your not maxed, stick with war galleon for your first ship.. it's a good money maker. War sloop is more for those who enjoy SVS and/or have all 3 wars in which case the War Sloop is good for speed and quick runs.
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I own all three 'War" class ships, and my favourite is the War Sloop.
But for your purchase, what is your sailing style? Are you one of those who goes in close and then stops? If so, the War Sloop is not for you. You have GOT to keep moving and jinking back and forth with them. One of the better tactics I have found against bot ships it to try to maneuver to the rear, then stay behind them as they try to turn and what not. But I digress, like I said, I own all three, and the war sloop is out all the time, the war galleon only frequently, and I think I have taken out the war frig like once or twice. |
well in my opinion i would get the war sloop):degen:
sloops are still awesome for any matter if u have a crew sloops are still better than galleons well on the main deck of a galleon shooting from the first cannon forward ur almost a blind shooter not with the war sloop tho other reasons to get it would be its fast and if u have windcatcher upgraded then u will have a super fast ship and its turning is still better then that of a bigger ship like galleon of frigate just 2 down sides only 7 board side cannons (per side ) and low cargo room in my recommendation i would get it this is from my opinion as a war sloop captian |
In response to the original question, I would not get the War Sloop, if you've reached 20K, why not keep going? Continue to build on rep and gold, Get the War Galleon - sail to the back of Padres and pick up some Royals, you'll get your 40K back no bother. War Sloops are good for one thing, PVP, even then unless your crew has good cannon rep, lightning and Fury, then a War Sloop is at mercy of a good War Frigate Captain - like me, lol.
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If you're aiming for the best ship to complete quests, this is the one I would recommend. It isn't the best for taking down the larger warships, but it is great for getting point A- point B in my opinion. That is, unless you have all the teleport totems; in that case I would save for a larger warship.
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Well that depends what your needing you see War Sloops are poor on cargo but very fast if your looking for both buy a War Frigate for in between or War Galleon for plunder!
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War Sloops RUUUUUUULE!
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For me personally, I skipped the Sloop. I have a regular Galleon that I happily sailed with all the way to level 15, using it to take out even the monsters, the Colossus, Dreadnaught, Behemoth, Death Omen, and Juggernaut. At 15 I got the War Galleon. It paid for itself in just a few short weeks! I went from making 700 a run to over 1000 every time! I sail solo a lot. To me the about only difference between the Gallon and the Frigate is running around the stairs to get to the cannons. Speed is about 1 knot different. Big whoop. The Frigate turns faster but this can be compensated with skill points in taking, or the come about maneuver.
While I don't disagree the Galleon makes a big target, it's armor makes up for that. I've taken hits from Death Omens with very little damage. I can't say the same for the Frigate. I did finally buy a War Frigate with money mostly from the Muertos quests. I prefer it with a crew. I sold my Sloop to get it. The Sloop was too low, making it hard to adjust for crew used to sailing the higher up ships like Frigates and Galleons. The Sloop did not seem any faster or more maneuverable than the Frigate, and so was pretty much useless to me. The other thing that makes a sloop useless is when that thing takes a hit it takes it HARD. Next to no armor, next to no cargo, last in line for me. That said it really does depend on how you sail. If you like the cut and run attacks and don't mind going in far more often for cargo drops and repairs, go for the Sloop. If you're a solo sailor who likes to hit em hard with little damage and lots of cargo go Galleon. If you tend to small crew sailing (4 or less, not including you), front guns on a Frigate are pretty much unmatched. In the end it's all a personal choice really. |
It all depends on your preferences. I like the frigates and sloops regardless of class and the way I sail reflects this. My little pirate just hit 20k gold and sailing level 15.... I plan on buying the war sloop, today. I am level 29 and will get the voodoo staff soon and then i will power level for the war frigate.:skull:
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Well , I'll revise my opinion.
I would buy the Sloop O'war first and max out the cannon skill round shot, and already you will have a ship with hard attack power, then if you want even more damage max out broadsides for your sailing skill and max out barrage for cannon skill, if you want a super fast sloop for questing or just running away from explosives, max windcatcher and full sail as well. Then with all this taken into affect, you can sink a Ogre or Monarch in 1-2 broadsides. Even if Sloops don't hold much cargo, their ability to return to port quickly makes up for it's lack in cargo, meaning you can fill with up 14 pieces of cargo, return to port, make sail again all in the same general time it would take a Galleon O'war to make 1 run leaving you with 28 cargo instead of 18 cargo. And as far as I know , there is only 1 ship that can top the Sloop O'war, and that is a Frigate O'war, with their array of cannons, but still the Sloop O'war is a great ship to buy and I recommend to get it as your first war ship. http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...3&d=1250906683 |
War Sloop isnt very good against NPC ships. You don't get much money and in fact they get easily sunk. But in my opinion they are the best in SVS. However, if you want cash with a war sloop u have to put as much skill points u can in task master, so you get nice cargo. My friend and I got 1000 gold plunder with a war sloop yesterday-including 2 diamonds and several rubies using full task master. But if you have lvl 15 sailing, you don't have enough skill points to put. I think you should wait for war galleon *_*
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I favor the galleon for a good haul personally, but most of the time I will go for a sloop. You should see what I can do with it! There have been many an occasion I have fired a broadside at a ship which "Far out-matches me". They fire their broadside, and I simply slide out of the way.:laughks2:
Like it was said earlier, it's all a matter of preference. Not just preference though, but style of sailing. I like I have said earlier, can fire a broadside standing still, and then slip out from under the enemy broadside without a scratch. A friend of mine, with a galleon, can actually fight offensively! All he does is fire broadsides, over and over, while sailing circles around the enemy ship. |
well i loved the war sloop for the fact i can dodge.... i love sailing alone with it...
OPINIONS ON THE CLASSES: SLOOP: GREAT FOR SPEED, DODGING, AND HIT AND RUN ATTACKING LIKE I DO ON pvp FOR LAUGHS.... GALLEON: (MY SHIP atm): EXCELLENT FOR CARGO AND TAKING HITS.. I LOVE DOING THIS ALONE... ITS FUN FRIGATE: (WORKING UP FOR THIS TO GET ALL 3) ONLY GOOD IF YOU HAVE A CREW OF AT LEAST 4-6.... I CANNOT DO ANYTHING IN A FRIGATE WITHOUT A CREW... this is my opinion on the ship classes..... i will in fact have all 3.... i will use the sloop for traveling and just for regular battles..... i will use the galleon for quick money as the frigate if i have a crew with me(i have ppl in my list who love me and love to sail with me :D) |
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