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Swash 09-26-2008 12:29 AM

Why are my posts being deleted
 
I've noticed that someone will post a thread in the wrong place I'll tell them the right place to put it and a mod will delete it I dont see anything against the rules for helping someone?

Dr. Zeppers 09-26-2008 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 74039)
I've noticed that someone will post a thread in the wrong place I'll tell them the right place to put it and a mod will delete it I dont see anything against the rules for helping someone?

Such corrections are best left to the moderators, as your 'suggestions' may not be accurate.

If they are seen as being against the sites policies, they will be removed.

If these comments do not add or contribute to the original subject of the thread, they are often viewed as nonsense/spam.

Swash 09-26-2008 12:34 AM

Uh huh Just a small question I want to know the answer too Tell me If I posted my opinion of someone ( bad or good ) could a mod delete it EVEN IF Its in The U.S Constitution I just want to know I'm really curious.

Mr.LoveLocket 09-26-2008 12:35 AM

true freedom of speech. but it has to be g rated

Swash 09-26-2008 12:38 AM

But its the United States Constitution I would think could bypass a rule on the site but Isnt nick australian so it wouldnt Effect him.... Im Confused.

Dr. Zeppers 09-26-2008 12:42 AM

Actually, your right to freedom of speech under the U.S. Constitution does not directly apply here, as this board is privately owned/operated, and is not a public forum. It is accessible to the public, but it is still a private forum, who's members are subject to its policies/rules.

Swash 09-26-2008 12:44 AM

Oh ok I was wondering but i think I get it Freedom of speech applies to Actually TALKING as Freedom Of opinion Applies to TALKING too meaning you actuslly have to be talking for it too apply.

Stormhawk 09-26-2008 12:45 AM

Haha swash. You commented on my thread today saying it should be on some other forum page and all of the sudden it was moved and your comment was deleted.:)

Dr. Zeppers 09-26-2008 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 74053)
Oh ok I was wondering but i think I get it Freedom of speech applies to Actually TALKING as Freedom Of opinion Applies to TALKING too meaning you actuslly have to be talking for it too apply.

You may be essentially correct there. "Freedom of the Press" might be applied towards publication of information (vs Talking). This is likely a gray area, however the rules all remain the same so it doesnt become an issue of discussion often.

Swash 09-26-2008 12:52 AM

Heres How I see it

Ex. Swash sends Zeppers Pm saying your mean and evil. Doesnt apply To U.S Constitution and zeppers can put consequences over Swash.
Ex. Swash Tells Zeppers in RL that hes mean and evil. Applies to the U.S Constitution and zeppers can do Nothing about it.

Those are Examples.

Maximvs 09-26-2008 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 74043)
Uh huh Just a small question I want to know the answer too Tell me If I posted my opinion of someone ( bad or good ) could a mod delete it EVEN IF Its in The U.S Constitution I just want to know I'm really curious.

The site is privately owned and operated, and you agreed to the terms of usage upon siging up to be a user.

This is not a public domain forum - so even though discussion is open to topics they are subject to the terms you agreed to.

Of course, if you do not agree to the terms you do not have to post - but - you cannot use the Consitiution (which may not even apply as the site may be in a country which is not the U.S.) as a defence (though free speech is of upmost importance, I would agree)

But when it is counter-productive on a private site which you agreed to abide to the terms to use, you must accept the results or not post...

The choice is always yours - that is your right. :)

--

Now - as part of those terms of agreement... Spamming, Trolling, Flaming and many other rules listed in the POF Policies and Guidelines can be reviewed at anytime by any user and should you have a question about them, feel free to PM a mod for clarification. If any user breaks the rules, it is within the site moderators discression to keep the forum in a proper operational state as to the Guidelines, and they must take direction as such.

Life itself is full of rules and regulations Swash, and its always your choice to follow those rules - of course just as in real life if you chose not to follow them there are consequences (which here, I would say many users - including yourself - get off pretty easy).

We COULD do 'work to rule'... but it wouldn't be nearly as fun or sometimes exciting as it is now... :)

Stormhawk 09-26-2008 01:04 AM

Max is right. We agreed to the terms of usage.:)

Swash 09-26-2008 01:06 AM

can you post if ya dont click I agree to the Terms of Usage.

Jack I 09-26-2008 01:09 AM

No you cannot. It is part of the registration process at our site, as well as on POTCO to agree to the Terms of Usage if you wish to be allowed to use the facilities provided. Everyone on this site has agreed to the terms, as well as read the rules, and agreed to them.

As Max and Zep have both said, if you agree to our terms of usage you are nulling your right to freedom of speech to what is asked of you by our rules. Since this site does have members outside of the United States, including the founder of the site itself, we cannot abide by the first right of the Constitution as there are members who are not under it.

Mr.LoveLocket 09-26-2008 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Ironmalley (Post 74077)
Everyone on this site has agreed to the terms, as well as read the rules, and agreed to them.

Yeah like if people ever read the terms lol :laughks2:

Jack I 09-26-2008 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.LoveLocket (Post 74078)
Yeah like if people ever read the terms lol :laughks2:

I can believe that people do not read the Terms of Use, but if you click agree you are bound to them all the same. In the event you wish to review the rules and policies you agreed to upon registration, they can be found anytime at this link. POF rules and guidelines. By reading these not only are you helping yourself avoid trouble, but helping us, the staff, out by keeping the site a more rule-abiding place.

Mr.LoveLocket 09-26-2008 02:15 AM

yep lol i took a look at those
It was like 1 year since i read those
then i quit pof for a long time and now im back! :)

Stormhawk 09-26-2008 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.LoveLocket (Post 74078)
Yeah like if people ever read the terms lol :laughks2:

I have never in my life read the terms to anything.LOL:)

Chris 09-26-2008 02:59 AM

Ok the US Constitution is in no way affecting these sites considering this is an INTERNATIONAL site we have users from Australia to the US to Great Britian to Turkey and beyond.

Second the ONLY way you can even make an account here is to accept the TOS if you dont then you cant make an account so everyone who is a member has agreed to these terms. There is no way around this it must be done!

Thirdly i admit i did not read the TOS until a few months ago because the rules are basic no in-appropriate, content no spamming, flaming, ect there are a few special rules pertaining to this site but overall its to keep members in alignment.

Forthly a Moderators Decsion is final the only way you can contradict that is if you have solid proof that they are deleteing it for personnal reasons (religion race gender age ect). Some posts get deleted due to off topic if you are in a thread and try to correct someone about double posting their second post and yours will be deleted if thats all it contains there is no need for a post that says "Dont double post" in a thread titled POTCO News.

Fifthly it does make sense to delete "Help" posts If someone posts a welcome thread in the site feedback forum and i post saying "This is the wrong section it should in the Arrivals and Departures forum" and a mod moves it to the correct forum then my post will make no sense because now its in the right section. So to reduce spam/confusion the post is deleted.

Sarah 09-26-2008 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.LoveLocket (Post 74078)
Yeah like if people ever read the terms lol :laughks2:

And, hence, that is why posts get deleted ;)

Batleth 09-26-2008 04:39 AM

Let's get a little back on track for this threads, shall we?
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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 74039)
I've noticed that someone will post a thread in the wrong place I'll tell them the right place to put it and a mod will delete it I dont see anything against the rules for helping someone?

The best thing to do in a situation where you believe a thread is posted in the wrong location is to use the report a post button http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...ons/report.gif. Give a brief description as to what you feel is the problem and a mod will be there shortly to handle the situation. This helps direct the mods to a problem on the forums and keeps the forums running smoothly. We're starting to get quite a bit of traffic and we depend on users reporting problems since some posts may be missed by the moderation staff. You may make a post telling the mods to close a thread, move a thread, or some other moderation action but they could miss it. If you report it, every mod for that forum recieves an e-mail for the report. So it's much harder for us to miss a reported post rather than just making a post on a thread trying to draw our attention.

We've found when users of the forums begin to dictate where threads should go, point out policy violations, or other similar statements they can and have lead to arguments. We also call this "back seat modding". These situations are best left to the moderation staff to handle as they have the authority to dictate and carry out our policies. Some users may take offense if another user tells them what to do so please just use the "report a post" button.

cptnruthless 09-26-2008 04:46 AM

It doesn't matter if you read them or not, you still clicked a check box that said "Do You Agree". Just like when you sign a car loan, it's up to YOU to read the fine print. If you don't, that's not the site's problem.

-Captain

Sam the Pirate 01-01-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 74039)
I've noticed that someone will post a thread in the wrong place I'll tell them the right place to put it and a mod will delete it I dont see anything against the rules for helping someone?

In a nutshell you were back seat moderating which means a member is telling another member to do a site correction. Heres an example:
Sam xD:Look at this cool screenshot guys of my ship in glitched battle!
Some Guy:Your not susposed to post a screenshot thread outside of the screenshots forum. You should move your thread or something

The red is backseat moderating.

Andrew 01-01-2009 12:45 AM

Sam is right- you cant try to play moderator here, they got their jobs for a reason.

backseat moderatoing...hmm, I would call it-Playing moderator :)

Edward Edgemenace 01-01-2009 03:18 AM

Funny, unless their rules have been updated in the last few minutes, the red there is not an example of anything. It merely gives a helpful comment to a person who can conceivably learn from their mistake.

MacIronhawk 01-03-2009 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Edgemenace (Post 107506)
Funny, unless their rules have been updated in the last few minutes, the red there is not an example of anything. It merely gives a helpful comment to a person who can conceivably learn from their mistake.

It would still be counted as backseat moderating and would be deleted.

Allen 01-03-2009 11:34 PM

[quote=Mr.LoveLocket;74045]true freedom of speech. but it has to be g rated[/quote]

Isn't it PG? But I do agree that the U.S. Constitution does not aply here, as POTCO Forums does have it's own 'constitution', their Terms of Usage. But, anyway your posts may be deleted because: As the Polices and Disclaimers say: Anyone impersonating or acting like they are an administrator or moderator is not allowed and can result in disciplinary action. If a user finds a thread or post that is inappropriate please report the thread or post and let the administration and moderating staff handle the situation. Wouldn't this includeount remarks such as "Your not susposed to post a screenshot thread outside of the screenshots forum. You should move your thread or something"? Myself, I think it should.

~Allen

Jack Sharkbane 01-09-2009 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormhawk (Post 74181)
I have never in my life read the terms to anything.LOL:)

I second that, man. It always be the same thing: No Swearing, blah blah blah, No Pirating* subscriptions, blah blah blah, No hacking into other accounts and all that junk. What I don't get though is this: EKB once trashed the forums name
Quote:

Nicks other crummy forums,
and well, It stayed there. for a long time, and is currently there. But, then again, He IS an Evil Rabbit.................hmmmmm.








* " but this be a pirate forum! " oh, ye know what I mean.


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