Do You Think People Who Rep Steal Should Be Punished?
 

Yes:plunder:
No:smiley-technik043:

what i think should be done is those who rep steal do indeed need to be punished we cant lat thes people get away with this rude act.Not ownly is it rude it desturbs people from training and keeps them from geting full rep which helps one level.

no, it is a game and there a lot of people playin, yes it rude but if ther payin they have rights to play where ever, to many rule in this world anyway. you can alway talk to them not to, but if that doesn't work i always move on to a quieter sever. it no big deal .

Its mean and cruel to steal rep, all its saying is that the one stealing rep cant do anything on their own. If i steal rep, i always make sure it is ok first

two days ago i was leveling up my pistol, which is now mastered, I had to politly ask a pirate to stop helping me, then she tried to crew up with me, I said No, then she left the island. She was sort of stealing my rep, and yesterday I finally leveled up my pistol

ok, weve so had this conversation over and over.
There really is no such thing as rep stealing. Someone cannot steal from you what was not yours in the first place.

A player can be inconsiderate and continue to bother other players by attacking the same creatures, etc. Even relying on them when asked not to, etc. Still this isnt stealing anything, its showing a lack of consideration.

Many consider it "helping" the other person, so if you did not kindly ask the person to stop in the first place, it could just as easily be said your stealing reps from them. (if you use the "stealing" definition).

Standard pattern for a pirate.

Just starts out... leans on other pirates trying to get things done (advanced pirates call you a rep stealer)

Now your starting to get going, you still get help from other pirates, some enjoy helping, some call you a rep stealer.

Now your really going well, you have a grasp on the game, newer players are starting to use you to help them gain an advantage (you now call these individuals rep stealers).

As it get harder and harder to level, you get more and more angry at "rep stealers" (which you once were yourself).

Then you master your pirate, and suddenly its all about helping other people, and noones a rep stealer anymore.



A vicious cycle

Should rep stealers be punished? No, because we all at one time in the game did so ourselves.
You dont think you ever have? I believe anyone making such claim is a liar, that would mean they did absolutely EVERYTHING without ANY help from ANY other person, friend, spouse, or family member, guild member or by using any of thier accounts (ie more than one account). Everyone wants to think they are perfect, we are all far from it.

well put zepper that why u be a mod. good job

Yeah--what Zep said.

I've usually considered rep stealers to be someone about the same level as me, who refuses to crew but attacks the same mob in KH that I'm working, never taking turns.

Someone who does that, knows that they are getting way less rep than they should be. If you add up the rep they get, plus the rep I get, it is less than what either would get if attacking alone (even when factoring in "rounding errors.")

It would avoid a lot of grief, if you could switch servers when on KH. (And not have to spend 4 minutes and 34 seconds sailing, due to someone else being "rude.")

Failing that, yes, it would be delightful to give a rep-stealer a free teleport back to Port Royal (on a different server!)

i agree 100% with zep

i give people 3 chances and of rep stealing to so if i politly ask them 1st and then get mean i report them end of story

I completly agree with Zeppers. Nice answer Zep.

- Captain Del Darkskull

I just realised today that Jim's Insight Thread on 'REP Investment' was lost in the 'Scuttle' a few weeks back.

That really is unforutnate - as it probably was the most informatitive and detailed information we ever had on REP.

But - the reality of it is that REP and its quests to obtain it really isn't 'thievery' but 'investment'. If you attack 1 NPC and it takes 1 minute and you get 100 REP - then two of you attack 1 NPC and it takes only 30 seconds and you get 50 REP - did you REALLY lose REP?

The question really isn't REP 'thievery' or 'invenstment' in the end... it's Manners. Plain and Simple. MMO's and their interaction of 'fake characters' which real people control unfortunately allow for the more 'unpleasant' side of people to be displayed - like magically allowing people to just 'ditch' everything nice and frankly be rude and inconsiderate.

Now, do I have a problem with someone asking for assistance? Or if they can help me with an NCP for a Quest? Even help for several or an afternoon to level up? No. Why? Because they ASKED and were POLITE about it.

Now, do I have an isue of often RUDE - INCONSIDERATE fools who just jump in then start screaming at you? Absolutely!

But I don't believe these people should be Banned for REP Stealing - but banned for their true purpose - Rude and Inappropraite Behavoir.

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So to answer the Question - I voted 'No'. People shouldn't be Banned for REP Stealing, because they really are not stealing. But ban them for rude behavoir... and it gets a big yes from me.

Who said anything about banning? That would be more than a little too harsh, I think. The punishment should coincide with the infraction, e.g.: rudeness (rep-stealing) on Kingshead = one free teleport back to Port Royal.

Absolutey, I agree with Zep. Well said.

I think I went through every one of those steps, though, for me, I got more frustrated with rep "stealing" with my second pirate than my first. I had no idea such a thing existed until I came here.

And there are inconsiderate people on both sides of this. Yes, some who repeatedly attack a target when they have been asked not to are rude, but I have also seen how some of these people "ask." It's not usually "kindly" done.

Ok agreed - Ban was probobly a bit strong... :D A free TP to the unknown would be kinda funny actually LOL :D

Yeah sometimes people look like they are having a hard time. So I decide to help them. Then... they like shout in caps like DON'T STEAL MY REP OR I WILL REPORT YOU! Then I say I was just trying to help. Then they say go away...

I agree with Zeppers on this. Now if you were attacking a mob and then someone does this, but then they get all of the experience, then we would have a problem. In some games (like back in EQ), this was the case. Losing all of the exp (and loot) because someone kill stealing was a pain. But in PotCO, you do get your proportionate amount of rep/exp due to damage down. So you're really not losing anything. You just need to fight another mob.

I do find it a bit annoying on my baby pirate when I'm in my light sloop fighting bigger ships (galleons & frigates - not light class) and someone feels the need to "help" me. I give them a good fist shaking and find something else to sink. Now I just try to stay out of the waters between Tortuga and Port Royal. Too many Ferrets out there anyway.

Your point has been made.
I put yes but thought the OP was talking about rep here on POF.
No, there is no such thing as rep stealing.
If someone is fighting an enemy with you they'll get a cut of the rep.(but if they don't fight the enemy then they will barely get any rep)
If someone is fighting an enemy with you and you don't want them to then change oceans if you really think there's such a thing as rep stealing.

I have battled enemies with four other people before and gotten 30 rep. Is that rep stealing?
No.

Humans always want to make other people think they're perfect.
The human raise is the least perfect raise in the entire world. The world gives us everything we need to lvie and what do we do? Destroy it. I'm sure it will only be a few hundred more years until the human raise kills itself off.
(I watch a lot of science programs)

You can steal rep here on the forums? hehe I'm curious, just how would one go about doing this?

*trips Zep - takes some of his POF REP*

Just like that buddy!!! LOL!!! :D

I think everyone should exercise game etiquette and ask to crew up instead of barging in and killing everything which does take away points from the rest of the group. If the group says no thanks to crewing up, the person should not be offended and switch to another server where they can fight solo or with others. It's all about team work, however you need to respect other players at all times and look at things from their perspective. Sometimes it’s not your battle to fight and Pirates always have other things to do.

:piratewheelgo2:

Robert Darkskull
Pistols N Bladez

I was at KH last night working my grenades on a quiet server and a player, who apparently just got their staff, came in and starting killing my mob. It ticked me off at first, but then it was a contest to see who could get the mob first. I was throwing grenades faster then they could use their staff. It was just funny to me to watch them run over to the fence to use their staff, then run back to the spot and try to beat me to the punch.

Actually it turned into a game to me and made leveling grenades kinda fun. lol

Zep. You are 100% right. I fully agree.:dancetl6::buds:

I'm glad you had fun with what could have been a bad situation. Not to rub salt on an open wound, but did you happen to notice how much less rep you got per round when sharing? Sounds like you were having too much fun with it, to notice a minor detail like points per grenade.

Originally posted by Edward Edgemenace
I didn't notice most of the time, but the few times i did, it was down in the teens. My grenade level is 6, so i should have been getting pretty good reps from the mob. It did get on my nerves at first, but i didn't want to switch servers and have to come back to KH. Basically i just stayed until i ran out of ammo and to try to pev the person off.

rofl :laughks2:

Learn and grow.
 

When I first started playing, it looked like people needed help when there were so many pirates attacking an enemy. So I always rushed over to help. As you go along, you come to understand everything that Zep and Maximus detailed so well.
They are absolutely right.
:laughks2:

I don't even know what we are talking about. I just go with the majority.

You know......in a way this is a rather funny subject.......

I mean IC your a P I R A T E ..........

It's all about stealing and betraying in the first place!! :laughks2:

OOC, I can understand someone getting upset about this. You're trying to level, and you feel robbed.

Well......welcome to the club. There are only so many servers out there, and lots and lots and lots and lots and LOTS of players.

At some point you're going to have to share......but there is good news.

All those Navy solders, and EITC Thugs, the ships, the skeletons, every thing RESPAWNS.

If you're playing POTC and you're in a rush........then you're playing the wrong game.

In an ideal world, everyone would play politely and be considerate of others. I went to a quiet server, sailed out to Kingshead because I wanted to work on my grenades, and I have to sail there of course.

There was someone already there.

Now, am I suppose to immediatly go "oops. Better find me another server." ?

how many servers do I go through before I finally find one where no one is at Kingshead?

Good Gosh people. That football team respawns quickly. Take turns! SHARE!

Not to mention that there are PLENTY of other places to go just on that island alone to take on and get rep points.

Or was it you kept wanting to do it the EASY way???

Last night I went back to Tormenta to take on Davy Jones's crew by myself. Yes I'm a bit low level to be there. Yes, I get my rear end handed to me on a regular basis there.

But that's just it, those guys are not push overs. They are not acting like dumb bots that don't know how to go around a fence.

Instead I'm having to think, take my time and consider stratagy on how to take them out. And I've even gotten a few of them.

Makes it worth the bucks I shell out each month to play this game.

I don't abide rude people, like the girl that asks me 15 times to be crewed up and won't take NO for an answer, or the guy that won't stop asking me to be their friend.

But I do have to say, if you're going to be on POTC, then ACT like a PIRATE. Last I looked, that's what we all are.

:piratear:

I have gone into kingshead on a busy server to just kill off a few soldiers to complete a quest. I went to the bust server for that reason others would be there and it will make it easy. But just trying to get one hit on a few of them is next to impossible when someone takes them all out with a staff. I ended up just doing the outer edge soldiers that were not in the pack. Once I got enough I left.

It is not stealing rep points and I see nothing for anyone to report. It is more like being a pirate and doing what pirates do best, look after themselfs first.

Dumb idea methinks. (And thinks strongly, savvy?) It'd be kinda stupid to have to be punished without a warning, and any warning would just kill the game for me.

Not to mention the fact that it is no problem worthy of punishment anyway.

Bribe, PM people asking, begging, making another account which isn't allowed.
TTC had these problems so it's only on the holidays now.
I miss it so I was thinking this thread seems right.

But rep stealing is impossible in the game. It splits the rep evenly. If you think someone is stealing rep then go away and find another spot where no oe will bother you.

No. Its just a game/ dont overreact

That is demonstrably false. Sorry, but you are totally incorrect.

Nothing for nothing...but like in any other game...stuff happens...and yea though it may be rude, we are Pirates...each and everyone one of us...

Remember the swordfight in the 1st movie between Jack and Will when Will was distracted a split second only for Jack to have drawn his pistol and Will proclaimed "You cheated" and Jack replied "Pirate!"...???

Or one of the many various catch phrases - "Take what you can, give nothing back"...


Heck, I even remember watching one of the Survivor tv seasons when they were in the Carribean and after both teams were made to walk the plank they all rowed back to shore...then once on shore each team had to get supplies...well one of the most beloved persons ever to have been on the show, Rupert, saw the other teams stuff sitting on the ground drying off which he happily stated "well we are in the land of Pirates so I'm gonna do what a Pirate would" and wound up taking the other teams shoes...lol

Players who "rep steal" are just being Pirates...trying to get ahead and like so many have said, we've all been there...yes they can be annoying just as I'm sure at one time when we started out we were the same way until we learned and followed an "unwritten code of honor", a generic code basically in any and all games once you learn it and respect it...

And sure they could be courteous about it, just as players should be overall when higher lvl players help them out...if these people would take the time out to be more courteous, I'm sure they'd find more players being more approachable and willing to help them...


But again, stuff happens...please don't sweat the small stuff...

Why is that everyone thinks that social graces should be thrown out the window because its a pirate game, and thats how pirates are? And use a quote from a pirates movie (not the game) to justify thier perspective.

One could be an intense griefer, cheater, stalker, etc in the game and make the same claim. It's not a valid excuse, folks need to stop thinking the genre of the game gives them a green light to be inconsiderate towards others.

But I agree with this

It is fascinating to me that in this game there is an assumption that a behavior that is generally considered extremely rude in other MMORPGs is assumed to be perfectly fine here. No, I'm not talking about "rep stealing." I'm talking about camping at spawn points. The whole concept of "rep stealing" presumes that it is okay to just sit at a spawn point (like the field at KH) and you "own" the mobs that spawn there because you have invested your time in waiting for them. Now, I know this game sort of motivates that bad behavior because it does not give enough non-grinding activities for higher level players, but that really does not excuse the fact that you are staking a claim to the commons and most everywhere else, that is the behavior that would be seen as rude.

I follow what your saying.

But dont see this as being that much of an issue actually, as its the attitudes of those in the situation that make all the difference.

The only time such areas become a subject is when those wanting to use a resource, find it already taken, and those that are already there are not willing to share it, or those that just showed up are not willing to share it. I only get adamant with people that try to TAKE OVER and put their needs above mine, and encourage me to leave. If I want a place to myself, I take the time to find it. And if people come along, what ensues depends on thier demeanor and action. Some are polite and ask to jump in/share (cool). Some just jump in for a minute to get something they need and take off (cool). Some just jump in, and purposefully try to ruin it for you to cause you disinterest so YOU Leave and let them have it to themselves (RUDE. KEELHAUL'EM!)

[Forgot it was Int'l Talk Like a Pirate Day] Arrrgh! That be just what I be thinkin. Nobody be ownin any of the mobs. Any landlubber what be thinkin they do own the mobs is just askin for their own trouble - be they gettin there ahead of me and campin or be they gettin there after me and squawkin fer me ter get gone. Anyone be callin another pirate a rep stealer is callin emself a camper an I've got no room aboard me ship fer the like.


But, it would help if we had more interesting things for high levels to do.

Every time I see the field in Kingshead, I wonder where the soldiers are. Every time I see only six (instead of six hundred) I am left wondering what the heck they were thinking.

That aside, Zep, you don't consider sharing to be rep-stealing? If they were polite about it, it is NEVER an issue - the entire thread is only about the times where manners are lacking, isn't it? If someone is TAKING TURNS then it is not rep-stealing.

Again, instead of reporting, how about punishing them? Free teleport to another server! Port Royal is lovely this time of year, I hear...

Aye - matey - you seem to miss the whole point. If ye take turns on the mob, THERE IS NO THEFT. If you try to SHARE it gives less rep to both of ye.

If people are sharing, there is no theft. Yes, there is less rep per second per pirate because mobs only spawn so fast, but that is an issue of underdevelopment of the in-game challenges for higher level pirates (not, I think, a subject that warrants punishing anyone except by cancelling your subscription). I don't think this is how most of the posters on this subject in this thread or the many others view it, though. They are frustrated by the lower rep per pirate per second (or weapon investment) and they consider the people who came later as having caused that problem for them. I know how they feel. I've searched for a quite server, sailed to KH, and found people already grinding there. All you can do in that situation is try to share and be willing to walk away. But, I'm also saying the same goes for the person who was there first. When I'm grinding away and someone comes up to the same spot, I can't be thinking possesively about my spot. It is a two way street and a lot of the discussion seems to forget that fact. If we are agreed that sharing is good (even if not as personally rewarding as having all the goodies to yourself) and hogging of any sort is bad, then maybe the question should be whether all the hogs can/should be punished.

I see you voted yes.
No, it is true.
How is there such a thing?
Fighting an enemy and then having someone come fight with you does NOT rep steal!
Tell me how is it possible to steal rep?
That's not stealing it's called sharing.
If you don't like to share then leave.

If there was such a thing it's not bad enough to be punished for.
If someone came by fighting my enemies I would walk away and get my own enemies.

Ok im clearing this up

This is a game

If that isnt enough i'll keep going

There are 2000 Enemies respawned in each server at 1 time

There are like 15 islands ( not accurate )

There are probably 50 Servers ( 100,000 enemies )

If your're really striving to get 40 a little help wouldnt be that bad unless the person killed yer enemie in 1 hit then ask them to use a weaker weapon.

Again This is a GAME!!!!

There were some times where i wished i could kick everyone out of the server but im 40 now no big deal.

If you recall...I did say this...



I'm not saying they have a green light to be rude...all I said was they're acting, well like Pirates...but again just because they're doing so doesn't mean they should be inconsiderate of other players...there's more then enough to go around for everyone...

You mis-state what I say, then correct it incorrectly, then reach the opposite conclusion, then suggest something about me? "Punishment" in this instance, is no more than (I've said it five times now) teleportation elsewhere. I never even said how it would be (if it could be) determined.

You and others, on the other hand, think that rude behavior should be implicitly encouraged. That mentality leads to idiocy like the KH invulnerability glitch.

thats such a stupid question Disney can't deal with all the noobs who think their helping and rep steal.

Disney has way to many problems (glitches) so i don't really think they even care.

Punished by Me Only
 

I have a rule of thumb with rep stealers....they start it and I finish it.

You steal my rep, I will then play by your rules, which I think is quite fair.

I follow a rep stealer for a while after they strike, and take a share of everything they touch. Granted, I'm taking my share with flame from a mastered staff, but we all work with what we have.

They then, nine times out of ten, ask me "why are you doing this?" When I point out what they did to me and explain that I am just joining their method of play, more often then not, they get a clue and apologize, and I move on my merry way.

The most annoying rep stealers I have experienced are new staff holders who think leveling their staff is more significant than any and all.

Note added as Edit: I don't literally think of rep stealing as "rep stealing" anymore then I think of crab apples as being apples made from crabs, but EVERYONE knows what your speaking of when you say it.

exactly that's what i do. When ppl bother me. I bother them. Or let them die. When its a lvl 34 going against a 31 i hit it and this guy thinks im gonna keep hitting it. and boom he dies :o

I know it's just a game!!!!

That being said, When I go through the pain of finding an empty KH so that I can get behind the fence to level nades, I'm there for about 15 minutes and making nice progress,, Nothing irks me more than 2 or 3 people moving in as a gang, rampaginf the parade grounds, and ruining the entire thing.

Now, why should I have to find another server, sail from some other island, and keep doing that until I find another clean place to work nades?

Sharing is one thing, and I have always offered to share when someone shows up at my area, but when they just take over, that is unacceptable rudeness.

I have shared your pain here.

Some seem to argue we are thinking we own the field, but thats not the case, we are willing to share. Its those disrupting everything that seem to be exercising the acting as if they own it mentality.

Anyhow when this happens I usually just make a feeble attempt at continueing what I was doing for a short while. Often the bore quickly and move on, and im back to business. If not, I usually TP out to find another quiet KH (usually with a quick smart remark on my way out... gotta be me.. lol).

As far as turning the rep stealing on the rep stealers, never thought of that.. Might be worth a shot. hehe

I'm with you Zep. It's a struggle just to go to Kingshead and get all set up ready to do some leveling, just to get interupted. Switch servers and start all over again, just to have it happen again in 15 minutes.

Taking turns has always worked well for me, but not all ppl are willing to do this. I have met some great ppl doing this and formed some good friendships. My only problem has been them ppl that think they deserve all the reps and are not willing to take turns. That's usually when I turn on them and start hitting everything just to show them how it feels. I've always been a polite ppl, but sometimes you feel like you are the only one that is that way. Nice to see other POF ppl feel the same as I do about being polite and fair.

I met a couple of great pirates yesterday on KH. I got there and they were already working grenades, and having just gotten them (on Mary), I was not in the mood to server hop. Opened right up with "hey there, can we take turns?". Not only did we take turns, but they asked me to crew for a little extra rep.

So, there are those that know how to share out there, You just gotta ask ;) And Molly, thanks for keeping company while tossing rocks...man that gets boring if you're all alone!

I still don't see why everyone does taht.
I never get lower or higher rep if someone comes by and as people say "rep steal".
As soon as someone comes over to defeat enemies I'll ask if they want to be on a crew so we can get extra rep.
(Isn't that how everyone does it?)
You'd think it'd be common sense if you ran into someone to ask to be on a crew for more rep.

always ask but alot time u never get a reply, alot of people dont know to ask or if they r stealin rep, there just playin the game.

Nice vs Nasty
 

I've taken turns at Kingshead...it was fun. I've turned over the whole group to new staffers who have moved in on me in their anxiousness, crewed them, and healed them for a good hour or so. I have no problem sharing with lower levels, questers who need a few hits to fill a quest list, etc. NOT what most of us mean by rep stealers. We know how to share, to crew, to take turns. NOT the problem.:piratear:

Example of an experience with my idea of a rep stealer: at Tormenta ALONE with lower lvl friend, disabling molusks for him to work on. In comes a lvl 39, makes a beeline past bored molusks, urchinfists, etc., and proceeds to annihilate the one molusk my friend was working on. Does it again. Friend says "can you please not do that." His response, "go somewhere else where you won't get killed," and he continues to attack ONLY THE ONES I DISABLED for my friend. Friend gives up and leaves, he continues to do the same to me (lvl 37 at the time). Crewing him (rejected, by the way) would have resulted in the fantastic bonus of 60 pts + 20% crew bonus instead of the 120-165 I was getting by myself. Yeah!! This is one of my most recent, but by far not my worst or rudest, experiences with what I call a rep stealer ( not literally, ok?).

Have you mastered Grenades yet? ;)

Try getting 8-10 pts total for all the mobs in a bunch (less if someone is 'sharing' at the same time).
Not even enough for a crew bonus to be applied ;)

In these cases, youd rather share/take turns than take a chance at getting +0 for some.

not to be rude...
 

Rep stealing is just a term in the game, because when were fighting an enemy and their almost dead, some one comes in and kills them.:degen: :psmiley27: That would be rep stealing, because the rep gets halfed, halfed again, then split to the person with more to them than you. I think that shouldnt be done, but on the other hand, if you attack an enemy and some one wants to join in, that would just be helping or doing watever. i think they can help, as long as the enemys health is in green, and not yellow or red. There are a few people that steal rep on purpose, just because they couldnt beat the enemy them selfs. I think that needs to be stopped.
What term where you using of " rep stealing " ?

currently, I DONT GET EVEN ONE REP POINT! thus it is not possible for me to even split the rep, so i dont know why i still play. mabye is is because im "detimind to win"

ye know, he's right and wrong.yes, port royal is lovely LOOKING this time o year. unfortunately, ye always hear screaming from the locals, "OH MY GOODNESS, A PIRATE! RUN FOR YER LIVES! OH, HELP, A PIRATE! AHHHH!!!!" and they become such pests,(mainly, because they scream, and do NOTHING about what the're screaming about,) so eventualy, i had to throw some grenades in the buildings, and thats when i heard one BIG scream, and then it got all quiet.:psmiley35::laughks2: thats is, until i hear the *click* of shackles, and then, ye know, the whole 'getting hanged' thing(I escaped, of course,). if ye remember, in the 1st movie, when jack was heading to port royal in that small boat, he sees some dead, hanged pirates, with a sign that says 'Prates, ye be warned!' , well, one of them was me cousin, who, saw with me in my 'raid' and, was hanged with me. i couldn't free him, for i dropped about 20 into the water, witch, of course, hurt. and, well theres me port royal story. he he, other pirates, ye be warned, about raiding with me!

This is inaccurate. Reps are scored per attack.

What causes the situation is someone causing additional damage to the enemy, and thereby limiting the number of attacks the original pirate can make resulting in a lower number of reps than they would haved normally received.

Working on "Little Ed" on Padres Beach today, I had found a quiet corner (I was the only one there; there are plenty of OTHER gypsies one can attack) and was doing my pattern. Cutlass taunt; doll curse; doll grave shackles; dagger throw dirt. Wait. Repeat. With six other gypsies in sight, Mr. Rep Stealer arrives and saves me from the inert gypsy. And the next.

My attempts at communicating with him (eventually degrading to "GO AWAY") was only answered once with something like "psffft."

Instead of getting 285 or 265 rep per gypsy, I started getting 30-40.

Should that person have been "punished" with a free teleport to a random server?

I can almost imagine the warning dialog that would come up for him: "A moderator has determined that your behavior was disruptive to, or harassing another player. POTCO discourages this behavior by restarting your game. Repeated behavior within 24 hours can result in a two hour block of your account. [OK]"