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Swash 06-03-2008 08:38 PM

Pirate King?
 
we all know in the 3rd movie elizabeth was voted pirate king ( cough ) (cough ) ( untill i became a pirate) but shes a woman she cant be a king because of that queen she is really pirate QUEEN i'm not going against a certain gender but queen means female ruler and king means male ruler do u all see where i'm going

Dr. Zeppers 06-03-2008 09:27 PM

I nominate Swashbuckler for Pirate Jester! ;) j/k Swash...

You do realize that it was something that was "voted" upon, and not self-appointed.. right?

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Swash 06-03-2008 09:30 PM

yea i know but she should be called pirate queen

Nathaniel Wolfson 06-03-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swashbuckler (Post 44291)
we all know in the 3rd movie elizabeth was voted pirate king ( cough ) (cough ) ( untill i became a pirate) but shes a woman she cant be a king because of that queen she is really pirate QUEEN i'm not going against a certain gender but queen means female ruler and king means male ruler do u all see where i'm going

Actually, "king" is a title. It's not truly gender-specific. There are historical precedents for female rulers using male titles.

Dr. Zeppers 06-03-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel Wolfson (Post 44337)
Actually, "king" is a title. It's not truly gender-specific. There are historical precedents for female rulers using male titles.

On that note, Egypt had several female "kings".

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Swash 06-03-2008 11:02 PM

well as far as i know king was ment for males but it really doesnt matter

Ferrex The Scurvy 06-03-2008 11:19 PM

King in its common usage does generally refer to male monarchs. But the origins of the word and its usage are not really gender specific, at least according to the Online Etymology Dictionary:

king

O.E. cyning, from P.Gmc. *kuninggaz (cf. Du. koning, O.H.G. kuning, O.N. konungr, Dan. konge, Ger. könig). Possibly related to O.E. cynn "family, race" (see kin), making a king originally a "leader of the people;" or from a related root suggesting "noble birth," making a king originally "one who descended from noble birth." The sociological and ideological implications make this a topic of much debate. Finnish kuningas "king," O.C.S. kunegu "prince" (Rus. knyaz, Boh. knez), Lith. kunigas "clergyman" are loans from Gmc. In O.E., used for names of chiefs of Anglian and Saxon tribes or clans, then of the states they founded. Also extended to British and Danish chiefs they fought. The chess piece so called from 1411; the playing card from 1563; use in checkers/draughts first recorded 1820. Applied in nature to species deemed remarkably big or dominant (e.g. king crab, 1698),

piratefan71495 06-05-2008 07:36 PM

Their Pirates they don't care about gender titles...
They make their own rules. =)

Swash 06-11-2008 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferrex The Scurvy (Post 44371)
King in its common usage does generally refer to male monarchs. But the origins of the word and its usage are not really gender specific, at least according to the Online Etymology Dictionary:

king

O.E. cyning, from P.Gmc. *kuninggaz (cf. Du. koning, O.H.G. kuning, O.N. konungr, Dan. konge, Ger. könig). Possibly related to O.E. cynn "family, race" (see kin), making a king originally a "leader of the people;" or from a related root suggesting "noble birth," making a king originally "one who descended from noble birth." The sociological and ideological implications make this a topic of much debate. Finnish kuningas "king," O.C.S. kunegu "prince" (Rus. knyaz, Boh. knez), Lith. kunigas "clergyman" are loans from Gmc. In O.E., used for names of chiefs of Anglian and Saxon tribes or clans, then of the states they founded. Also extended to British and Danish chiefs they fought. The chess piece so called from 1411; the playing card from 1563; use in checkers/draughts first recorded 1820. Applied in nature to species deemed remarkably big or dominant (e.g. king crab, 1698),

they might want to revise that in english

Dr. Zeppers 06-11-2008 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Swashbuckler (Post 46345)
they might want to revise that in english

Not to argue, but it was.
It basically is how the etymology of a word is typically defined

This describes the origin of the word, indicating that its origin was not gender specific, as it was applied in a broader range, for example "one of noble birth" which could be a male or female.

Swash 06-11-2008 02:53 AM

i know but i couldnt understand one word lol

Dr. Zeppers 06-11-2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Swashbuckler (Post 46389)
i know but i couldnt understand one word lol

Ok, I admit, I had to read it like 4 times myself.

Eddee 01-16-2009 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 46345)
they might want to revise that in english

There's just a lot of brackets in there. It's 1am, i'm not even going to try and read it properly.

ukebec 01-16-2009 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by piratefan71495 (Post 44963)
Their Pirates they don't care about gender titles...
They make their own rules. =)


Exactly - etymology aside...labels are just suggetions, aye? At least if you're a pirate!

Edward Edgemenace 01-16-2009 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OFxZeppers (Post 44349)
On that note, Egypt had several female "kings".

...lost in the translation. They were still queens.

Edward Edgemenace 01-16-2009 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferrex The Scurvy (Post 44371)
King in its common usage does generally refer to male monarchs. But the origins of the word and its usage are not really gender specific, at least according to the Online Etymology Dictionary:

king

O.E. cyning, from P.Gmc. *kuninggaz (cf. Du. koning, O.H.G. kuning, O.N. konungr, Dan. konge, Ger. könig). Possibly related to O.E. cynn "family, race" (see kin), making a king originally a "leader of the people;" or from a related root suggesting "noble birth," making a king originally "one who descended from noble birth." The sociological and ideological implications make this a topic of much debate. Finnish kuningas "king," O.C.S. kunegu "prince" (Rus. knyaz, Boh. knez), Lith. kunigas "clergyman" are loans from Gmc. In O.E., used for names of chiefs of Anglian and Saxon tribes or clans, then of the states they founded. Also extended to British and Danish chiefs they fought. The chess piece so called from 1411; the playing card from 1563; use in checkers/draughts first recorded 1820. Applied in nature to species deemed remarkably big or dominant (e.g. king crab, 1698),

That refers to the fictional "proto" Germanic languages and Old High German. In English, a "Reigning Queen" is a femal leader of a people.

Note that "proto" languages, are all imaginary. Linguist try to run a complete circle by theorizing what spoken language hundreds or thousands of years ago, was, then call it "proto-whatever." Which is to say, complete fiction, at best.

Tuefenhandel 01-19-2009 10:48 PM

King??? I didn't vote for (her)!!!

Help, help - I'm being repressed!!!

The right to govern is derived from the consent of the people.....


- Can anyone name the movie?

lostmymarbles 01-20-2009 12:03 PM

lol.... drink enough rum and who cares what she was called.

ilikepurpleyogurt 01-24-2009 06:49 PM

King or Lord?
 
I thought she was chosen as a Pirate Lord...not pirate king? Besides...she wasn't the first femail pirate lord...remember?

Dr. Zeppers 01-24-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ilikepurpleyogurt (Post 111939)
I thought she was chosen as a Pirate Lord...not pirate king? Besides...she wasn't the first femail pirate lord...remember?

In the interests of remind all of that portion of the original storyline...

Sao Feng passed his "Piece O Eight" to Elizabeth just before he died. This granted her the title of "Pirate Lord". Later in Pirate Council, a vote was held between all the pirate lords to determine the pirate king. Usually the vote would always be a stalemate as each would vote for themselves. This time however Captain Jack shocked everyone and voted for Elizabeth Swann. This made Elizabeth Swann "Pirate King" as she had the most votes, hers and Jacks.

So... per the storyline, Elizabeth Swann is Pirate King! (Wether King be the appropriate title or not, it was in the script as "King")

League 01-24-2009 09:37 PM

It was a joke in all accounts: remember, all were supposed to vote for themselves. Jack, who happened to be last, just determined the vote. As well, a piece of eight was just some novelty item, or an eye...
Quote:

King??? I didn't vote for (her)!!!

Help, help - I'm being repressed!!!

The right to govern is derived from the consent of the people.....


- Can anyone name the movie?
Yes, Monty Python's Holy Grail movie: I didn't see it, but I know I saw that part on Youtube.


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