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Simon Redskull 06-25-2011 05:39 PM

Petition:Release the Kraken
 
Nearly two years players have waited for the "Kraken" today I learned that it was all a scam to get players to buy unlimited well across all the Pirates Online wikis and forums.We must unite to make disney ."Release the Kraken".Together we can make this happen.

Tiberius Fireskull 06-25-2011 05:54 PM

A few things to say.

1. Do you honestly think that POTCO will listen to this petition? If they haven't released it by now, then I doubt that a petition, unless you got a signature from everyone in the game (which is pretty impossible) is going to make them release it. I hate to break your spirit mate, but POTCO does not listen to these kinds of petitions.

2. Are you aware of all the other stuff they are doing, like Scoundrel of the Seas? They are working on a lot of really cool updates, and are you really this focused on some oversized calamari that you are ignoring all the other great stuff that they are giving us? Honestly, there are so many other great updates out there that they are working on/have given us that this squid is pretty unimportant. There's other stuff I'd like more. Making a petition for one update that most people will enjoy for just a short period of time before getting bored with it (lets face it, that's how its gonna be with The Kraken) is quite selfish and ungrateful, considering you seem to have not noticed all the rest of the hard work they've been doing.

3. When they said it was going to be released two years ago, I think they meant it. I'll bet that something came up, such as a bug that couldn't be fixed, and they decided to discontinue it, and go work on all the other amazing updates we've gotten, like El Patron's Lost Weapons. Just forget it mate, if they said it would come two years ago, and it hasn't come, I doubt its coming for a while or ever for that matter. Just quit focusing on this one little thing and actually look at all the great stuff you have.

4. I highly doubt that theory about it being a scam. That's definitely not something they would do, and I'm not even sure if that kind of thing is completely legal.

Sorry to go on like that with that semi-rant, but I wanted to get my point across. There's no point in bugging them for The Kraken. When you look at all this other great stuff we have, I'm pretty sure what we have is better than some calamari.

Simon Redskull 06-25-2011 06:36 PM

I'm just surprised they can make whole islands in a short amount of time and not finish the kraken

SEAKING23 06-25-2011 06:38 PM

I hate to break it to you, but if they do release the kraken all that will happen is:
A) Tentacles will come up out of the sea, everyone blows them up with blunder, its over.
B) People get mad that it's so easy

Oh, and if they lied about the kraken, they could be sued for false advertising. So, no it probably wasn't a scam. Like Davy said, something probably came up.

Tiberius Fireskull 06-25-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Redskull (Post 332881)
I'm just surprised they can make whole islands in a short amount of time and not finish the kraken

I highly doubt it was a short amount of time. And plus, an island is probably easier to make (and less buggy) than a moving creature that attacks, makes sound effects, and all that. And again, why are you say crazy about this squid? Its not that big of a deal. Have you noticed all the other great updates that we've gotten? The Kraken isn't a big deal. I'll say it again, they probably ran into some crazy bug with it, which is understandable considering how complex the beast would be. An update with a huge bug that makes it unplayable is as good as no update at all.

Joshua Coalskull 06-25-2011 07:26 PM

As an Admin of the POTCO Players Wiki please accept my humble apology. Please ignore this petition which I am in total protest of. DO NOT sign it. This will resolve nothing... and all it will do is cause problems and delay further development of the game. I am completely content with the way things are now. As I stated, this will not help the situation, the update will come when it is ready... and pestering them with this irrational "petition" will only slow things down. If necessary I will delete it soon.

And can a mod remove the link... he is advertising the Wiki.

WeirdBeard 06-25-2011 07:57 PM

I don't really want the Kraken to come out. It's VERY buggy, will get old quick, and will be annoying, because it'll pop out of no where, and well... I think all the other updates are cool.

ruisen2000 06-25-2011 08:23 PM

I think the Kraken would not be worth the time to make.
It would take several months to even a year to make it, and only take a day to defeat.
Unless it comes with a long quest chain, in which case would take several years to make, and take a week to complete.

Dark_Pixie 06-25-2011 08:26 PM

If it is released, I don't think it'll live up to all the hype. Like others have said, it's just this giant squid that pops up and attacks you. Yeah. I've always wanted that.

skullduggery bones 06-25-2011 08:48 PM

They could make the Kraken the second story end boss (like the black pearl quest ) the culmination being you have to get together a crew to take it down. Only it would have to be a lot harder seeing as pirates Notoriety has been raised and there are far more weapons available now. If it was the end of the second story chapter it would take more than a day to finish the quest and fight the beastie! hehe
And no I will not be signing the petition. The Kraken will be released when it is the right time to do so.

pieisbetter2 06-25-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Redskull (Post 332881)
I'm just surprised they can make whole islands in a short amount of time and not finish the kraken

Islands are pretty much just a bunch of shapes thrown together and smoothed out. They throw some enemies and, BAM, it's good.

The Kraken would consist of more complex shapes, judging by how I've seen it in the POTCO movies. Not to mention creating a new AI for this beast. Then, depending if they would put it in the open ocean and just have it attack randomly, (this would take probably more in depth AI) or if it was a boss battle,(maybe a new location) it would take significantly longer then an island.

My work here is done. :piratewheelgo2:

Captain Sharktooth 06-25-2011 09:11 PM

If it hasn't come out by now, it won't be coming out. Honestly, I'm not worrying about it coming out, nor am I still wishing it does. I'd rather see Disney focusing on other concepts to make this game better. I've been waiting 4 years, but it's time to give it up.

James Sunsteel 06-25-2011 09:15 PM

It might be really laggy too :/ Plus it might pop up even when you don't want it to and kill you right before you get to tormenta :(

Captain C83 06-25-2011 10:55 PM

I'd rather have that ability to customize my ship they said they were working on back on 2007 :sadmh9:

James Bladefury 06-26-2011 01:51 AM

Its that time of the year again... I think I'll give the exact response to a near identical thread in a few months.

Crestshot 06-26-2011 02:22 AM

As much as I'd love to reiterate all the fantastic points made on this thread, I think I'll just go with "No thanks. It's a waste of my time."

The Skirata Clan 06-26-2011 02:44 AM

Forget The Kraken, bring out a Second Chapter!

HammyTheSquirrel 06-26-2011 02:56 AM

I heard someone say that the Kraken was in the before release testing. So,... put that with the Kraken stuff in the phase files. They obviously took it out (maybe because it made the game not as good? Or bugs?). When people assume that they see parts of an upcoming Kraken in the phase files, they might really just be seeing old files from before the game was released. oh.. and I agree with TSC... Bring out a second chapter! ;)

akamystic 07-13-2011 05:05 PM

I just came back after 2 years and there have been changes. However....with all the hype that Disney had going right before I left truly I expected more.

What was all that fluff when the seas turned green and the game was talking about strange sea creatures?? You can read the official Disney web site today and still see comments in the developers section about features that never materialized.

I obviously came back as I enjoy the game regardless. It does get frustrating when you see things in test phase that just seem to get locked up in a chest and dumped overboard. As others have mentioned....many of these things have been talked about for YEARS....not months. I suppose we take the good with the bad and continue to submit feedback.

Captain Will Cannonfury 07-13-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by skullduggery bones (Post 332962)
They could make the Kraken the second story end boss (like the black pearl quest ) the culmination being you have to get together a crew to take it down. Only it would have to be a lot harder seeing as pirates Notoriety has been raised and there are far more weapons available now. If it was the end of the second story chapter it would take more than a day to finish the quest and fight the beastie! hehe
And no I will not be signing the petition. The Kraken will be released when it is the right time to do so.

I agree, the Kraken should be the boss at the end of the third story quest ( raven's cove was the 2nd now ). Instead of having the Kraken be like the Queen Anne's Revenge, because sometimes that ruins plundering if you want the gold. And then it'll get old and people will lose interest in it. One more thing, when there was the Mardi Gras event with the GM's. I was with Thatch Roberts, when we were in the Ratskeller he mentioned there would be a beast coming out soon... and I'm not lying either.

ruisen2000 07-13-2011 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Will Cannonfury (Post 336853)
I was with Thatch Roberts, when we were in the Ratskeller he mentioned there would be a beast coming out soon... and I'm not lying either.


Well, the beast could be anything.....

leo 07-13-2011 08:29 PM

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So what's the deal with Davy Jones and the Kraken? Do you have plans to add them to the game? Any hints on when that might happen?

Yes, we are definitely planning on adding Davy Jones and the Kraken to the game, and along with them will be all new Quests. Stay tuned for more details!
http://piratesonline.go.com/#/game_i...e_life_06.html

Eliza Creststeel 07-13-2011 09:34 PM

We need to move on
 
First, let's make a major correction.

The Kraken was supposed to be out - OVER THREE YEARS AGO, not two. It will FOUR years this winter. If you are pining for the beastie, and have spent four years of subscription money hoping ONLY for that - I'm sorry.

The Kraken was supposed to be the end boss of either Chapter 2 or 3 - and there is enough video and screenshot evidence out there to show hints about the follow chapters in our fight against Jolly Roger - including meeting Davy Jones. Those developer interviews were done like 4 years ago.

However in the 42 months that have passed, the game's timeline is permanently stuck. It was set between movies 1 and 2. Well, since then - Will is now the captain of the Dutchman and Elizabeth goes off to have his child somewhere. Beckett is dead. Mercer is dead. Davy is dead. Calypso aka Tia has been freed and Barbossa is not only back, but legless and commanding the Queen Anne's Revenge.

So, where does the Kraken fit now? Oh, yes - IT'S DEAD! Left in pieces on the shore of some island.

We need to move on and so does the game. The only good out is for each chapter to be on a different part of the timeline so at some point - we get beyond the movie plot without undoing the logic. Or lets get away from the movies entirely. But, we need to move forward.


Please don't ignore all of the innovations and improvements to this game. And there have been many milestones. Why drag us backwards?

MacIronhawk 07-13-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by leo (Post 336884)

Those developer diaries have been up since 2007 when the game launched and it's been four years.

I can understand why the Kraken would take so long but they promised him by the end of 2009 and he never came. They never should have made the promise in the first place if they couldn't release him.

Last time we saw the Kraken, his model was completely done. I think the developers forgot to mention that the Kraken itself would most likely be a boss battle to a second story quest. If we're going to have a second story quest, we're going to need a few new islands(along with new enemies), new ship enemies, and more unique gameplay aspects. While the Kraken could be done, the second story quest could probably take even longer.

I'm not worried about how long it takes to release the Kraken, as long as he does eventually come out.

Eliza Creststeel 07-13-2011 10:22 PM

Here are the screenshots folks have talked about. They are VERY old. And I'm wondering how real there were any more.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ay/Kraken2.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ay/Kraken4.jpg

You can tell by the play screen that they are very very early. But the player is clearly fight off the tentacles. In the second shot, they've been plucked off the deck and are being flung about.

leo 07-13-2011 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliza Creststeel (Post 336902)
First, let's make a major correction.

The Kraken was supposed to be out - OVER THREE YEARS AGO, not two. It will FOUR years this winter. If you are pining for the beastie, and have spent four years of subscription money hoping ONLY for that - I'm sorry.

The Kraken was supposed to be the end boss of either Chapter 2 or 3 - and there is enough video and screenshot evidence out there to show hints about the follow chapters in our fight against Jolly Roger - including meeting Davy Jones. Those developer interviews were done like 4 years ago.

However in the 42 months that have passed, the game's timeline is permanently stuck. It was set between movies 1 and 2. Well, since then - Will is now the captain of the Dutchman and Elizabeth goes off to have his child somewhere. Beckett is dead. Mercer is dead. Davy is dead. Calypso aka Tia has been freed and Barbossa is not only back, but legless and commanding the Queen Anne's Revenge.

So, where does the Kraken fit now? Oh, yes - IT'S DEAD! Left in pieces on the shore of some island.

We need to move on and so does the game. The only good out is for each chapter to be on a different part of the timeline so at some point - we get beyond the movie plot without undoing the logic. Or lets get away from the movies entirely. But, we need to move forward.


Please don't ignore all of the innovations and improvements to this game. And there have been many milestones. Why drag us backwards?

I'm not sure that the developers are really adding content based on the movies much. I would say about 60 % of the content if not more has no connection with the movies. The first chapter is even made up because i don't remember Jack gathering a crew to recapture the Black Pearl from the Navy...

Seems to me the developers have no plan at all regarding new content as they are just adding small parts that most of us never even thought off. They definitely need to organize themselves and POTCO...

MacIronhawk 07-14-2011 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Eliza Creststeel (Post 336902)
However in the 42 months that have passed, the game's timeline is permanently stuck. It was set between movies 1 and 2. Well, since then - Will is now the captain of the Dutchman and Elizabeth goes off to have his child somewhere. Beckett is dead. Mercer is dead. Davy is dead. Calypso aka Tia has been freed and Barbossa is not only back, but legless and commanding the Queen Anne's Revenge.

I don't think you understand the situation very well. Which developer said the game was set inbetween the first two games? Could you please elaborate and provide some links to the POTCO site where a developer mentioned the game being stuck in between two movies?

Many people fail to realize that online games can't be limited by the timeline in order to survive. If the game were stuck in between two movies, why not make a console game? The whole point of online games is being able to play an almost endless amount of content, which means you CAN'T be limited by the storyline.

The Kraken has been promised for some time now but we're talking about a huge update. The Kraken would have to come with a second story quest, making way for Davy Jones and more islands.(there are seven more mysterious islands in the phase files)

Even the model of Davy Jones sits in the phase files with idle animation. I don't understand why so many people become stubborn about the time line. No one ever said we were "stuck" in between two movies. No one has ever said that, it's a complete assumption made by players because they haven't seen the second story quest.

Also, with the addition of Raven Cove's, we see the potential of making NPCs disappear when we "kill" them. Why hasn't will disappeared if he's the captain of the Flying Dutchman? He still sits in a warehouse where you can talk to him. We are NOT stuck in between movies but we ARE stuck in a phase of no new story quest.

Davy_Mcwrecker 07-14-2011 04:52 AM

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Yes, we are definitely planning on adding Davy Jones and the Kraken to the game, and along with them will be all new Quests. Stay tuned for more details!
Am I the only one to notice how they never said that they would release the kraken?
They were planning on it, but they never got it working properly. Thats why they released call of the kraken, because that kraken is basicly what they designed. The kraken is gone, out the window, poof.... They are now working on new things, and thats that....

Swash 07-14-2011 07:04 AM

Why have people have been fighting for almost 4 years for a giant fish that people will get bored of in a week. I can promise you that as soon as the kraken is released people will get bored of it and ask for more content.

akamystic 07-14-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Swash (Post 337046)
Why have people have been fighting for almost 4 years for a giant fish that people will get bored of in a week. I can promise you that as soon as the kraken is released people will get bored of it and ask for more content.

I think it got inflated with the rumors from the GM's, responses from tech support and info from the web site. If they truly don't intend on bringing it to the game all the rumors and info should have come to a halt. Or they could have simply told us it was not currently under consideration to be added but other updates were in the works. Dragging something out only gets Pirates perturbed.....

Eliza Creststeel 07-14-2011 03:11 PM

MacIronhawk,

The game is set between movies one and two - stricly based on the characters and what has or has not happened. The Governor is alive and Will and Elizabeth are not married yet. Davy is alive, etc. etc.. - its just logic. I never said someone else said that.

And we can all acknowledge that the game was supposed to be used to promote the 2nd film but it was delayed and came out too late.

MacIronhawk 07-14-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliza Creststeel (Post 337082)
MacIronhawk,

The game is set between movies one and two - stricly based on the characters and what has or has not happened. The Governor is alive and Will and Elizabeth are not married yet. Davy is alive, etc. etc.. - its just logic. I never said someone else said that.

And we can all acknowledge that the game was supposed to be used to promote the 2nd film but it was delayed and came out too late.

So then, you admit this time line can be stretched? A simple second story quest adding the Kraken and Davy Jones would expand the time line all the way to the third movie, yes?

No intelligent company would specifically limit their time line for an online game. It's like telling them the game is going to have an ending. Online games usually don't have endings, they go on forever in storyline.

akamystic 07-14-2011 03:34 PM

Another thing to keep in mind....the game is based off of the movie. It has never copied the movies storyline.....nor do I think that will change. There was no Jolly Roger character in the movie....and we could point out differences between the movies and the game all day long.

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Dark_Pixie 07-14-2011 03:34 PM

I see the game as all the films put together, personally.

leo 07-14-2011 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swash (Post 337046)
Why have people have been fighting for almost 4 years for a giant fish that people will get bored of in a week. I can promise you that as soon as the kraken is released people will get bored of it and ask for more content.

Not if it would be properly organized. But i agree looking at how all the past content has been...


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