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Nack 05-19-2011 03:06 AM

Your guide to the ULTIMATE art of Modern PvP (Jumping)
 
This is your guide to Jumping!

I will be going over some main ideas behind "#WINNING" as Charlie Sheen would say.



:ContestMedalSmilie: Weapons :ContestMedalSmilie:

:Coin: First things first: Your sword. The most preferable weapon has critical strike, making weapons like Nautilus or the Masterwork family VERY important. The name Thunderspine may be thrown around a lot in PvP, but it is quite possible to beat anyone with Thunderspine through good strategy. (Find this under "Strategies")

Note: *Cutlass is a standard in jumping.*

:Coin: Second: Your dagger. Although weapon skill damage boosts might be important, as important are weapon exclusive passive skills. Like how critical strike is a necessity, less so would be pain immunity. It might be hard to come by, but scoundral's dagger is REALLY good when starting off a round.

Note: *Other weapons are necessary if you come across a person who refuses to play fairly by the rules because either A. You are doing extremely well (Hopefully that skill has been induced by this guide ;)) or B. The rules were unclear.





:ContestMedalSmilie: Strategies :ContestMedalSmilie:

:Coin: The most key strategy is starting with dagger. (*See bottom for throwing knives skill point setup.*) The most important dagger would be adder, because of the amazing poisoning ability. If the person has a cutlass from the Assassin's family, then the second dagger to use is your own personal lifeguard. Sidewinder: second most important. Although most seem to be using vipers nest, vipers nest is better last, or in the middle of the fight. It can be that little helper that gets that extra 300 damage on your enemy.

:Coin: Now that you've probably used dagger, its time for your best friend: sword. It may not be as good as outside of PvP, it is very important. Now with the sword, you got 2 choices, unless you have Black Shark Blade, which combines the 2.

1. Use a sword with rolling attack. Although you don't have that extra push from a critical hitting sword, you have the advantage of range. I like to combine a any cutlass from the Seven Sea's family with Scoundrel's knives, keeping you quick when you are using the knives and ranged when you are sword fighting.

2. Use a sword with critical strike. If you are just starting, this is a MUST, as in MUST MUST MUST. The extra push is lethal when you get the upper hand. (IMPORTANT Note: *Weapon damage is NOT the key to winning. Stun and Pain effects ARE.* Other Note: *When the enemy is stunned always stay with cutlass. NEVER EVER EVER SWITCH TO DAGGER UNLESS THEY ARE IN THE LOWEST POSSIBLE RED ZONE) Nuff sed ;).

3. You were extremely lucky last time you spent 12 hours at Tormenta looting and you got Black Shark Blade, Or you went to DarkHart and first skull was a Tiger Shark Blade. Either way, these weapons combine the two skills, so just go back up and use the two combined.

(Random Opinion: *I like to PvP with iTunes on, some may like the game OST [Original Soundtrack]*)

(4. A lvl 1-10 invited you to a mayhem, so you just go CRAZY with dagger, unless you like sword better. [It is not weird to like winning])
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Thanks for reading, I hope this makes you a better PvPer.

Images courtesy of me.

Captain Jason 05-22-2011 04:17 AM

Good guide, but I think there are btter ways to set up your skills. For example, I prefer to have level 5 brawl, as stunning the enemy for 5 seconds can come in handy. Just my opinion.

Rod 06-10-2011 07:43 PM

I would totally master parry

The Stealthy Pirate 06-10-2011 09:13 PM

Techinically, although this well come in handy, I think "jumping" is a form of cheating... Plus, I dont have any of these weapons.

Rannulf 06-10-2011 09:24 PM

:laughks2: Broadsword beats jumper.:laughks2:

finn 06-10-2011 09:52 PM

hey sorry but i disagree with the skill choices endurance should be maxed taunt should be up there and i never use sweep so i wouldnt max it

and I WOULD NEVER max out adder and keep the first throwing skill at 1 sidewinder at for 4 you can work on your combo more

and use broad sword because it makes it easier

other than that great guide

but u didnt give us the key guide i forgot it

Jello743 06-10-2011 10:25 PM

Doll = win :)

HammyTheSquirrel 06-10-2011 10:29 PM

aye... broadsword is best for everything.

Rannulf 06-10-2011 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jello743 (Post 330866)
Doll = win :)

:laughks2:Max Hexeater shot, Knives of the Golden Idol beat barbie wavers!:piratetongueor4:

Nack 06-24-2011 05:09 PM

I was just trying to give an opinion for people who want to start jumping, I'm not saying jumping is better in any way, this is just meant to be an informational thread, not a place where you can say that broadswords and dolls are better and that my choice of skills are wrong. I'm just offering a look into a way of PvP where all can be fair.

And to Stealth
Quote:

I think "jumping" is a form of cheating... Plus, I dont have any of these weapons.
None of these weapons are required to be used, I still use Fine Cutlass a lot. And also if jumping is cheating, then I've wasted a years on this game "cheating".

Captain Jorden 07-06-2011 06:50 AM

I like the old PvP. So sad that im won of the wons to keep it alive. How about add something like doing this outside the thing (cant do this in volcanic PvP). I havent been on for nearly 9 months (abandon sometime in september). next time ill be doing this outside. Thanks for the New PvP thing. I'm combing this with the old PvP glitch. Still testing out a way I can do it though. There will be a thread about the 2 combined glitches. Thanks for this.

Oh and just dont worry about what other people say. I think this is "Glitching", Not "Cheating".

Ofury/ Tom 07-06-2011 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nack (Post 332734)
Yea um, please don't troll my post. I was just trying to give an opinion for people who want to start jumping, I'm not saying jumping is better in any way, this is just meant to be an informational thread, not a place where you can say that broadswords and dolls are better and that my choice of skills are wrong. I'm just offering a look into a way of PvP where all can be fair.

And to Stealth

None of these weapons are required to be used, I still use Fine Cutlass a lot. And also if jumping is cheating, then I've wasted a years on this game "cheating".

If these comments continue, I think I'll close or delete this thread because jumping seems unwanted here.

Its not cheating.. Its just weak. Jumpers make you play with the weapons they are good at.. So they can beat you. I don't jump I just know how to beat all the weapons my opponent can use. Takes a little more skill with that then just sitting there clicking. and spacebaring.

Davy Bluekidd 07-13-2011 03:46 AM

Good guide mate!
I don't care how I fight in PVP, jumping, or stand still. What I don't like is when people spam doll. I mean, it's always fun to doll a guy, but when you ask them nicely not to use it, and they just use it to annoy you, then it gets on my nerves a little. But still though, using doll is fun, but I prefer sword and dagger.
Good guide,
-Davy

Captain Jorden 07-13-2011 07:06 AM

I prefer sword and staff. Just my opinion.

And i failed on the thing.

PvP glitching beats jumper. ;)

P.S. I found the new pvp glitch.

Davy_Mcwrecker 07-14-2011 05:22 AM

Jumpers = Weak people who are afraid of there opponents, regardless of level, and who cant take a hit or two.

andyspins 07-16-2011 03:24 PM

I would jump if I could, but my dagger is only level ten, and I have a broadsword so I just stick to regular PvP, atleast for now ;).

Dark_Pixie 07-16-2011 04:19 PM

I'm starting out as a jumper, and I'm getting quite good at it. It doesn't make me one of those PvP obsessed jerks that like to glitch a lot, because if someone asks me to not jump, I won't jump. I use a broadsword when I jump, because it's far easier than cutlass, and who says that I'm not a real jumper if I use a broadsword?

Awesome guide, mate, but maybe you should post the jumping technique? I turn auto run on and use the mouse to fight and direct Misty the right way. Kind of hard to control, but I'm getting used to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davy_Mcwrecker
Jumpers = Weak people who are afraid of there opponents, regardless of level, and who cant take a hit or two.

Thanks for the opinion, Davy. :laughks2:

I understand where you're coming from. Most jumpers I've met are quite rude, and don't like me using weapons that will hit them. :P Isn't that what PvP's all about? Most jumpers, especially Abassa Tortugans, are like that. But some jumpers are alright. As I stated above, if the opponent prefers that I don't jump, I won't jump. They've just got to make it clear first. And if a level 20 starts fighting a level 50, I think their only hope is to jump. :)

My three favourite weapons in PvP are broadsword, gun and doll. Dagger coming close behind. I don't use doll too much, because usually someone has a problem with it. And that's okay with me.

I don't like all the nonsense about 'not being a real jumper if you use broadsword'. Broadsword is the toughest sword in the game, and I don't see why using it would make me a fake jumper. When I used to PvP randomly with jumpers, when I used a broadsword = "broadsword noob". When I used a doll = "doll noob". I think they can establish the rules better than using a four letter insult...

I originally saw jumping as a form of cheating, like Stealth said. But there are so many jumpers about these days that I feel that I need to jump in order to have a chance against them. I was defeated by a level 20-something jumper when I was level 46! AND he was basic. I started training myself as a jumper, on Darkhart, (:P) and now I can fight the old fashioned way, AND the jumping way. I think the jump button should be removed from PvP, or you'll only be able to walk in PvP, as somebody suggested once. It would encourage pirates to get down and dirty with the opponent, as real pirates do. :)

Lastly, I don't think PvP is that important, so I'll let the jumpers do what they want, and everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm simply letting my opinion out here, like many of you have already done. Except mine is in speech form. :laughks2:

My message in short: Do what ye like! They're your weapons, and if the opponent has failed to establish the rules beforehand, that's their mistake. Can't blame someone for wanting to win. :)

Captian Blimey John 07-18-2011 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ofury/ Tom (Post 335103)
Its not cheating.. Its just weak. Jumpers make you play with the weapons they are good at.. So they can beat you. I don't jump I just know how to beat all the weapons my opponent can use. Takes a little more skill with that then just sitting there clicking. and spacebaring.

^This. And I'm so sick of all these jumping guides... Is spamming a cutlass and punching your spacebar hard enough to claim so many guides across so many sites?

Mr. Awesome 07-18-2011 06:07 PM

I hate Jumping.

Last night I went on Lookout, and I PvP'd the first non-Jumper in a month. Not including PvP's with friends of course.

But Dark Pixie is right, if you are PvPing against someone a much higher level then you, and Jumping is the only way to somewhat even the odds, then I guess it is OK. /growl

lerzba 11-15-2011 08:29 AM

Hello. I'm a jumper, and I am fairly experienced at it. I have been jumping/pvping for 3 years.
One of the things I mostly hate in this game, is when people trash talk about us jumpers for having "rules" or "jumping" in PvP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davy_Mcwrecker (Post 337033)
Jumpers = Weak people who are afraid of there opponents, regardless of level, and who cant take a hit or two.

Davy, how are we weak, afraid or anything like that? The way I see it, we are the best pvpers in the game. We like having "rules" so its a fair match for everyone.

Jumper Rules :
Cutlass and Dagger only
~No Dagger Combos
~No Brawl
~No special weapon abilities (like freeze on silver freeze)
~No asp

Why don't we use broadsword? You can RANDOMLY swing with it and hit your opponent, and it'll stun him and he can't move. The main idea in Jumpers PvP is stunning your opponent with a cutlass combo so he slows down, and it'll be easier to hit him and he will go off-aim. We don't like to PvP someone that just spams three-barrel gun or someone who uses a doll and runs around in circles. That is so boring, having rules makes it harder and funner for us. We also feel much more accomplished then normal PvPers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Pixie (Post 337472)
I'm starting out as a jumper, and I'm getting quite good at it. It doesn't make me one of those PvP obsessed jerks that like to glitch a lot, because if someone asks me to not jump, I won't jump. I use a broadsword when I jump, because it's far easier than cutlass, and who says that I'm not a real jumper if I use a broadsword?

Dark Pixie, "jumping" in pvp doesn't exactly make you a jumper, if you used the jumper rules, then you could consider yourself a beginner jumper. There is MUCH more to jumping then you think. It requires a lot of concentration,skill,focus and some experience. Broadsword requires no skill at all, try fighting someone with a cutlass. Its not supposed to be easy, its supposed to be hard.

Nacks thread was mainly to help people get the idea of what jumping really is, or help rookie jumpers. Instead, all I saw was people trash talking and insulting us, that hurts me. We aren't as bad as anyone thinks, just because one jumper can be rude doesn't make the rest like that.

If anyone would like me to show them how to actually jump using jumper rules, just send me a PM on PoF and we can meet up somewhere ingame. I can show you strategies,tips, how to re-train your sword/dagger for jumping and other useful things. We don't want to get hated by the pirate community, we are trying to gain respect.

Captain Sharktooth 11-15-2011 03:25 PM

People who are good at jumping are the best PvPer's in the game, and while some people take it too seriously, some jumpers will, "jump," just for the fun of PvP.

Although I used to hate it, I'm fine with jumping, and I have great pride in being a great PvPer. I'm a jumper myself. ^_^ Although I'm not a hardcore jumper like.... some people....

lerzba 11-15-2011 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikhailskills (Post 354570)
This topic will always get haters.

Why do you say that? Because majority of the pirates community doesn't "jump"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Sharktooth (Post 354585)
People who are good at jumping are the best PvPer's in the game, and while some people take it too seriously, some jumpers will, "jump," just for the fun of PvP.

Although I used to hate it, I'm fine with jumping, and I have great pride in being a great PvPer. I'm a jumper myself. ^_^ Although I'm not a hardcore jumper like.... some people....

Thanks for understanding, PvP is the only reason I still play this game, lol.

Stephen O'Malley 11-15-2011 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerzba (Post 354596)
Why do you say that? Because majority of the pirates community doesn't "jump"?

...and when a jumper PvPs one of the others who doesn't jump or happens to jump in a different way, rather than fighting it out, they just cry "NOOB", "OMG", and other nasty [and sometimes vulgar] things. Not saying that's all jumpers, but I have mentioned that my respect is reserved only for a few.

Anyways, Nack, the guide is at a good starting point, but I think it needs to have more added to it. I think you should mention some more options with skills (my GM had the most awkward cutlass set, yet used to make the PvP leader board all the time in 2009 along with his first mate), as well as go in-depth as to why I would want a Nautilus Blade over other weapons (as well as mention other weapons anyway i.e.- the Dark Mutineer fairs quite well with its defensive qualities, and the Thunderspine's stats definitely out-class other weapons, etc.). I also think you should have a section on how to jump against a non-jumper.

lerzba 11-15-2011 08:38 PM

My skill points are:
Sword:
1 Hack
5 Slash
5 Cleave
5 Flourish
5 Thrust
2 Sweep (helps alot in teams, when your opponent is really low health to finish them off and if you can't hit your opponent you can use sweep so his health doesn't go back up)
3 Endurance (I have 3.1k health, I only have endurance for team pvps, it helps. I wouldn't recommend maxing it unless you have low skills/level)
5 Bladestorm

My Dagger (not even 1 point in a dagger combo):
5 Viper Nest
5 Sidewinder
5 Adder
5 Blade Instinct
5 Finesse (cool down time)
4 Asp (to use against non-jumpers, or jumpers that cheat) really helps

I have 2 strategies that I use in PvP, I use vipers with fast switch (that makes me skip and they can't hit me) after I use vipers, I use bladestorm with fast switch (they should be around near half health then, I'd take out my sword and start comboing until I killed them or until they had so little health sweep/vipers could kill them.

My second strategy would be, start out with combos before you even get to the opponent (like hit them with flourish by the time you get to them, then jump sideways and hit them with thrust) then I'll bladestorm, use vipers skip and finish them off with combos.

I use these strategies depending on who I'm fighting, I can tell how people PvP on the first kill, then I'd make up a strategy during that match or use my main ones.

I use Nautilus Blade in PvP, it has a +2 Flourish boost and Critical Strike Rank 2. I also use my Nautilus wherever I go (like looting at darkhart, level at tormenta) even though I have the Barracuda broadsword which is much stronger then my Nautilus, I'm used to using cutlass because of PvP and it helps me get better. Its also funner to kill things when you're jumping with a cutlass imo. I also jump while looting/killing things, not just while playing PvP. One of the best jumper PvP swords are the Doom Rattler (it has a pain immunity, so you can't stun your opponent with combos and he can easily kill you if he has good aim) Thunderspine is also good, but I think Doom would be the best.

Cannonfury 11-15-2011 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davy_Mcwrecker (Post 337033)
Jumpers = Weak people who are afraid of there opponents, regardless of level, and who cant take a hit or two.


No way, jumpers have skill, makes pvp more fun too.

lerzba 11-15-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannonfury (Post 354605)
No way, jumpers have skill, makes pvp more fun too.

Thank you.

Dark_Pixie 11-15-2011 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerzba (Post 354559)
Dark Pixie, "jumping" in pvp doesn't exactly make you a jumper, if you used the jumper rules, then you could consider yourself a beginner jumper. There is MUCH more to jumping then you think. It requires a lot of concentration,skill,focus and some experience. Broadsword requires no skill at all, try fighting someone with a cutlass. Its not supposed to be easy, its supposed to be hard.

I wouldn't call myself a jumper, nor would I use the 'jumper ranking system', as I don't title myself in this game (except, maybe, Captain Misty, haha). I jump occasionally in PvP, but I haven't turned it into a fine art like jumpers have done. Broadsword is my weapon of choice simply because it's stronger than cutlass, and I like to do a lot of damage in combat (not saying cutlass is weaker - if I found a cutlass stronger than my broadsword I'd go for the cutlass). I never found cutlass hard to use.

PvP isn't my main focus in Pirates Online, so I'm bound to practice the 'jumping technique' less than those who enjoy PvP above everything else. Perhaps I might look into jumping a bit more after I'm mastered and want to start to level up my Infamy, but jumping really isn't the most interesting thing that I'll encounter in the game, in my opinion. I'd probably just fight on the ground. :P I don't really have the time to spend learning how to jump in PvP, so I might try it occasionally, but I'm certainly not as skilled as most players who actually call themselves jumpers are. There's no way I'd question a jumper's skill in the game, because jumping is no doubt the strongest, yet toughest to learn, form of PvP. It's just not my kind of thing, that's all.

There are many different ways you can play this game. 'Tis fine to have a different style of gameplay to someone else - just the same as having different opinions. If we all had the same way of playing the game, this would be a pretty boring forum! :P

lerzba 11-15-2011 09:08 PM

Thanks for understanding. I have been jumping since I started playing Potco, I don't like looting, I don't like doing quests (2% on the black pearl and I'm a level 50) I have only done teleport quests, raven coves quest and some tattoo quests.

PvP infamy rank doesn't tell you a jumpers skill either, when I was rank 1 in PvP infamy after coming back from a 2 year game break, I tried jumping again after only so long on my new account and I beat a maxed war master 8-1 using jumper rules. Right now, I'm a war master, but that is only because I do like 10 jumper pvps a day, I also did a 5vs1 (they were level 40 and a 50) without jumper rules and I won 6-4 (they were healing each other and stuff so I just did as much damage I could on one and life drained off the others.

Chalupa 11-15-2011 10:10 PM

Good guide, but for skills I would rather have a max endurance and as much skill points as you have left on the combo skills, if you were only a PvPer. Bladestorm takes a long time to execute.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davy_Mcwrecker (Post 337033)
Jumpers = Weak people who are afraid of there opponents, regardless of level, and who cant take a hit or two.

I disagree.

lerzba 11-15-2011 10:38 PM

Well, bladestorm with fast switch = 1 second to do for me and it takes part of there health. I would only max endurance if your a low level or have low skills. Combos are a must though, sweep is really good too if you know how to use it.

WeirdBeard 11-15-2011 10:45 PM

I do not have a problem with jumping. But i don't do it myself.

lerzba 11-16-2011 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeirdBeard (Post 354623)
I do not have a problem with jumping. But i don't do it myself.

Yea. Its not as easy as most people think =\. Even if you can jump, takes a lot of practice and skill to become really good. I only lose to a few people in game.

Captain Hector 11-26-2011 05:52 AM

I jump. I do not and will not follow this guide. I will never follow the "rules" of jumping. I jump using a Broad, and whether it makes me a good PvPer or not, i don't care.[/SIZE][/FONT]
I see many people on this thread who are saying, 'i just started jumping'. well, DON'T start. develop your own strategy. Mine: get my sword out, jump around, swing, pause to blade storm, and if i spawn on the cliff, take out my bayonet and shoot people. Maybe I'll develop a new strategy, or just do stuff by instinct. I will never really have a code for PvP myself. I see people posting on threads like this discrediting jumpers and calling them "weak", "afraid", etc. I highly disagree with them. They have no right to call them those names, because maybe they're just afraid of them. I'm not saying they are, though.
For me, I dare to be different. Maybe I don't jump in one game. Maybe I will in another. Maybe I'll blade storm a person, then take out knives and throw a viper's nest. It all depends on what YOU want, not what the "trend" is.

My message: Dare to be different.


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