A Hidden Member
 

We all know that sometimes Officers offline can cause havoc throughout a guild. So I thought about an idea. What if the GM could customize a feature where the person they promote is INVINSIBLE to others, and they only show as a member. To the GM and other officers they show up as an officer. Give me some thoughts.

There are a few things that I don't understand. How can an offline Officer cause havoc in a guild? If the Officer is online and causing havoc, though, the GM could just demote/eject them and problem solved. I don't see the point of invisible Officers.

I'm confused too...what do you mean...what could the invisible people do??

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I think it would be a good idea.

Sure, why not. It doesn't seem to have a downside, so why not put it in?

Hmm, that does make more sense. If that's what Dog meant, then I just wish I could change my vote to yes, xD.

I think it's a good idea!
It's true that in some guilds when officers aren't online or even the guildmaster, some members act differently.

I like the idea, but I selected other. Because yes, sometimes people could cause trouble in a guild when Officers are offline, but maybe the GM of said guild, could just select a certain member that they trust, who can be on more then the others, to watch over everyone invisibly. So basically, this feature would not have to be planted in-game, as it could be used as described above :)

Transparency and openness is crucial - in this game in particular, where "community problems" run rampant. Having a "Gestapo Secret Police" rank is an amazingly bad idea.

No- because since when does an offline officer create havoc??

^^

I think it would be a good idea, too, because if a Member is caught griefing and that guild auto-ejects griefers, the "undercover" officer could just boot them right then if absolutely necessary.

*Puts on mirrored shades and grows a 70s cop movie mustache... instantly...*

I'm down for it. :laughks2:

And what would "Other" mean in this situation? :P

Nice mustache Dan. Anyway, I think I'll go with no. Most "Invisible officers" Would probably just start bragging about getting promoted. That's just the way alot of people are. And, like Edward said, if people found out that there were so many secrets in the guild being kept from them, they would feel left out. Everyone in the guild deserves to know what's going on. I see where it could help, but a member could simply tell an officer that a member is doing something not allowed in the guild or POTCO.

But an invisible officer is just like a veteran, no?

A veteran can only recruit, yes. However, they seem lesser than the officer to the rank and file members. Don't get me wrong, veterans are just as important as officers, however, they can only recruit in the members eyes, so there's no reason to behave.

Part of a veterans job is to report any mis-doings to an officer. The officer can take further action.

Invisible can mean many things. But the visible who can act invisible are truly dangerous. There's no need for an invisible officer if you have a rank such as veteran.

oh... after reading all of these i agree, even though i originally said no. But also, you can easily make an invisible officer yourself in potco now. You could just put a noob pirate that you made into the guild and if there is disruption, log on to your other pirate and give them the boot

Technically no.

A Veteran only has the power to recruit, which is my point. They can't boot anybody if an Officer isn't online.

Being a Guildmaster, I can count off a list of things that would require immediate reprimandation, such as griefing. Of course, if an Officer isn't "online," the griefer can't be dealt with. That's why "invisible officers" would be needed.

Of course, then you'll just say "But then why don't you just make him/her an Officer?" Well, it's simple.

I have dealt with pirates in both PNC, and other guilds, that come to a guild for the sole purpose of griefing; to ruin the reputation of that guild. Of course, any smart "sleeper cell" wouldn't do it when an authority figure was online. They would wait until no Officer is online before they commence the trouble making. Of course, with invisible officers, the griefers won't know when and when not to do so, and more than likely discourage it.

It's not like we're running a Watergate Scandal here. This is merely for Guild Protection. I would be pretty open in letting my members know we would have invisible Officers - just, I won't tell them who.

The only problem i see here is that once that officer member makes a move in guild, his/her hided officer status comes out in public

How would that be so? I think that an invisible officer would only have to be used in serious situations - i.e., cases where only a clean, swift ejection, is necessary (which is a rarity, but still,) without the notice saying who did the booting.

It could be like the old version, where the person just vanishes from the guild without any notice at all. It doesn't even need to say the person left the guild. Even then, the guild members would know that there is an invisible officer...

I also see a problem, now that I think of it. Perhaps it may not be the way for all guilds, but some members may not like the idea because they wouldn't know who they could trust. If they had a problem with the guildmaster and wanted to tell someone, they wouldn't know who to tell, because that person may just be the invisible officer. It is a great idea, but there are too many dangers involved...

That is a good point, mate

I dont see why we need an invisible officer. I think co-gms would be more effective. i mean, what happens if an officer is the greifer? and if you one of those co-gms who make only trusted members an officer, well, what happens if someone acts all nice until hes an officer, then once he gm is offline, start being a jerk? there would be no one to stop him. thats why i made a thread about the co-gms.

True but thats only if the old officer version as Davy said is restored where there is no notification. POTCO staff is lazy to change everything the way we want... lol

I said No because this is easily done and a solution to the problem. I just don't see the need for a new rank.

Isn't this already done? A current officer with an alternate pirate in the guild who shows as a member. There really isn't a need to eject a member right away.

If 3 people were online in the guild and 1 was picking on another in a rude way. Wouldn't that other figure out who the undercover officer is right away?

Kinda reminds me of a game I used to play.

One person is the killer, but nobody else knows. If they wink at you, your dead. You can say your dead, but you can't give away the killer. The goal is to either kill everyone else, or kill the killer, depending on whether or not your the killer. Once there are only 3 people left though, the killer has a major disadvantage. Once the first of the 3 die, it's just a game of if you can wink faster then the other person can say your the killer, or the other way around.

I don't know why I wasted so much tiome posting this about a game, but yeah.

I had to say yes, this could of saved a few guilds that ive been in that have broken up due to drama.