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Countainer7b 11-14-2010 05:15 AM

why doesn't the navy help with invasions
 
isn't it the navies job to defend the islands under there control and defend the sea from pirates (jolly qualifies). so why don't they help with invasions defend the sea and do there jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dog Firestack 11-14-2010 05:23 AM

1. The Navy are too scared.
2. The Navy don't have good weapons.
3. Only Port Royal is defended, and even if they were to help they would be about zero help because of how weak they are.
4. Honestly, the Navy want pirates to be dead from Jolly Roger's Invasions, as they actually stay out of the forts.

CarribeanThunder 11-14-2010 06:43 AM

Do not forget, the Royal Navy is corrupt. I think...

titanic95594 11-14-2010 07:18 AM

The usually sit back and watch us die.

Tiberius Fireskull 11-14-2010 07:21 AM

One question.

Would the navy honestly want to team up with us pirates?

Captain Sharktooth 11-14-2010 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dog Firestack (Post 273724)
1. The Navy are too scared.
2. The Navy don't have good weapons.
3. Only Port Royal is defended, and even if they were to help they would be about zero help because of how weak they are.
4. Honestly, the Navy want pirates to be dead from Jolly Roger's Invasions, as they actually stay out of the forts.

Unfortunately thats so so true Dog, they are just too weak, maybe a new update could come with Navy people that are actually challenging.

Kraken Guard 11-14-2010 10:10 PM

This is what leads to my question: Why bother defending?:buds:

Tyler The Tyrant 11-15-2010 12:25 AM

They should have EITC/Navy Invasions. Bunch of Officers & Assassins with multiple bosses like Remington, Neban etc.

Tiberius Fireskull 11-15-2010 12:32 AM

The Navy is on the islands to defend the places, not to conquer them. Simple as that. There should be no Navy invasions, it wouldn't make sense.

The EITC aren't the type to do an all out open invasion. They would do slow takeovers involving assassinating certain individuals.

Tyler The Tyrant 11-15-2010 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull (Post 273922)
The Navy is on the islands to defend the places, not to conquer them. Simple as that. There should be no Navy invasions, it wouldn't make sense.

The EITC aren't the type to do an all out open invasion. They would do slow takeovers involving assassinating certain individuals.

Now you are just over-analyzing.

Tiberius Fireskull 11-15-2010 12:55 AM

Not over-analyzing. Just pointing out what I feel makes sense to me...

Crestshot 11-15-2010 01:36 AM

I'd have to agree with Davy.

Let's think purely in the scheme of the Caribbean. Think of it as real, with the motives and the moves of each group in the Caribbean. It's like chess. Each player has their own style of moving.

Here, we have Jolly Roger; He has strength through his army that is forever growing. He is not afraid to use it. Roger relies on brute force to get his job done, so that his army continues to grow and grow and grow. All he wants is to rule.

The Navy is there because they are ordered to be there. They protect the King's investments in his Empire. They don't have to do anything else; technically, they already rule. All that's in their job description is to strike down anyone who disturbs the peace and threatens that rule.

The EITC are rather like the Navy, but with a more sinister edge. They work for money. They will work undercover to get what they want, not through brute force. If they were to work through force, and force alone, they lose their money and their power. There's no more influence for them to work.

Now, back to the original question: Why doesn't the Navy fight with us? Because they don't care. Pirates are getting killed off? Brilliant for them, there's a lot less work for them now. As long as they have their legal power over the islands, they don't care, go about your merry way. All they need to do is keep the King happy.

charles gunfury 11-15-2010 02:18 AM

So wat about cannon defense? the navy are wanting us to help them ward off the bandit ships We OF of all ppl FOR JUST SAKE lol so we should get something in return that wat i think.....

Tiberius Fireskull 11-15-2010 02:40 AM

We get gold and cannon rams in return. And if you remember, the reason we ward off the bandit ships is because they Navy is too stupid, scared, and/or lazy to do it themselves. And of course, a pirate will do anything for gold, aye?

swordshot 11-15-2010 02:59 AM

Think as it as this, the navy hates BOTH of us. Jolly and us pirates. The Navy would help if it were the movie, because Elizabeth Swann is with the pirates and they have to make sure that she is un-touched. Elizabeth is inside the Governors Mansion, which is the target for the Port Royal invasions. So that is a hard question.... who would the navy want to die more? The pirates and Elizabeth, or Jolly Roger whom wants to destroy Elizabeth.... I dont understand the game- not like the movies at all..

SEAKING23 11-15-2010 04:22 AM

navy and invasions
 
I don't under stand why POTCO isn't allowing us to assassinate who ever is leading the navy in the Caribbean and take over. we are the most powerful force in the Caribbean, we should have ruled the carribean a long time ago.

Countainer7b 11-15-2010 04:47 AM

then the game would be over if not we would we do it would be fun for five minuets then the game ends forever no enemies and servers now useless i'm not talking tortos abassa i'm talking about hardware expensive hardware. all in all a bad thing for all involved. also the eitc and the navy belong to britain the eitc wouldn't take over technically they should be on the other side of the world thank you hollywood and really all the navy knows until we attack them is were citizens with weapons (or ships) that want to defend the island. really it is there job to defend the islands but we have that covered so they don't have to do it.

Tiberius Fireskull 11-15-2010 05:07 AM

Actually Countainer, the East India Company was not all the way in Britain all the time. America's Boston Tea Party shows that. The Patriots dumped all the tea from an East India Company ship. Sorry if that goes off topic a bit, just wanted to point that out.

Tyler The Tyrant 11-15-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull (Post 273929)
Not over-analyzing. Just pointing out what I feel makes sense to me...

Tortuga is a pirate island unlike Port Royal. Not controlled by anyone. Wouldn't it make sense if the Company or Navy wanted to drive the pirates out of their main stronghold?

Crestshot 11-16-2010 12:18 AM

While that does make sense, Tyler, I remember something from the Greer quest that Blakely said.

"While, officially, the Navy ignores the skeleton problem, unofficially, I have been ordered to get rid of it." Something along those lines, at least. It was when the player has to go and defeat General Blood-somethingorother.

Point is, the official stance on the skeletons is that they don't exist. Period. So when there's a Port Royal invasion, they officially go, "All is well, the sky is just acting up again!" While unofficially, they go "Shoot. Can't do nothin' bout it though."

And besides, if they fought, where would that leave us? Arrested for being pirates out in the open.

Tiberius Fireskull 11-16-2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyler The Tyrant (Post 274062)
Tortuga is a pirate island unlike Port Royal. Not controlled by anyone. Wouldn't it make sense if the Company or Navy wanted to drive the pirates out of their main stronghold?

The Company isn't the type to just go and destroy something with 10 billion troops armed with swords. They quietly work away at things until they crumble from inside. Thats why the EITC won't do an all out invasion.

Also, the Navy are lazy. Its shown countless times in the game. Not only are they there to protect rather than attack, they are just too lazy to do anything. I'm sorry mate, but I really don't think there should be EITC or Navy invasions.

Dog Firestack 11-16-2010 01:44 AM

I would like to point out the sleeping Navy Guard in the jail.

Countainer7b 11-16-2010 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy Fireskull (Post 274011)
Actually Countainer, the East India Company was not all the way in Britain all the time. America's Boston Tea Party shows that. The Patriots dumped all the tea from an East India Company ship. Sorry if that goes off topic a bit, just wanted to point that out.

no davy i meant they were Briton's company they traded in and involving the east indies the Caribbean is in the west indies also they aren't a military fore they wouldn't take an island and toruga is calmed by someone they don't do much about it.

Captain Sharktooth 01-23-2011 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crestshot (Post 273943)
Now, back to the original question: Why doesn't the Navy fight with us? Because they don't care. Pirates are getting killed off? Brilliant for them, there's a lot less work for them now. As long as they have their legal power over the islands, they don't care, go about your merry way. All they need to do is keep the King happy.

That may be true, but the Navy wouldn't want their island getting destroyed. Also, if Jolly takes over Governors Mansion, and rules Port Royal, the Navy lose out too...

Midhav 01-24-2011 08:52 AM

If you take in a historic and realistic view, the British Royal Navy was supposed to be the strongest force in the seas of the time.

POTCO should really dump the mindset that they're lazy. It is a MILITARY for crying out loud! Let them protect the island from the undead! Didn't they do that against the Black Pearl?

And the whole "bandits" is idea is stupid and unrealistic. Bandits here = Robbers of the sea = Pirates! The Navy may be the corrupt, but their smart enough to tackle their own problems. And if they're allied with us in CD, why not Invasions?

On the account of Navy/EITC Invasions... Maybe not a full-scale war... Something like small raids "on hideouts of people outlawed under the jurisdiction of his Royal Majesty" or something would suffice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordshot
Think as it as this, the navy hates BOTH of us. Jolly and us pirates. The Navy would help if it were the movie, because Elizabeth Swann is with the pirates and they have to make sure that she is un-touched. Elizabeth is inside the Governors Mansion, which is the target for the Port Royal invasions. So that is a hard question.... who would the navy want to die more? The pirates and Elizabeth, or Jolly Roger whom wants to destroy Elizabeth.... I dont understand the game- not like the movies at all..

This doesn't happen during the 2nd or 3rd movie, where you can find that Elizabeth turns into a pirate. She becomes an escaped convict only after the arrival of Beckett. And during that time it's quite obvious that she didn't re-enter the Guv mansion. Even if Elizabeth was a pirate during this time, the first they'd be ordered to do (by Beckett, seen in a scene in DMC) would be to HUNT her down.

--Midhav


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