POTC 4 spoiler alert
 

the movie is about Jack , Barbossa , Black beard try to find the fountain of youth. Will and Elizabeth are not coming back because they are insignificant to the plot.

Black beard is introduced because Barbossa wasn't thought to be mean enough so black Beard is gonna be really mean

My official pre-review of the move: It will stink. Will Turner is by far my favorite character, and when I found out he wasn't coming back, obviously I was horribly disappointed. And Blackbeard? Really? This is pirates of the Caribbean with Jack Sparrow, Hector Barbossa, Jack the Monkey, Will Turner, and Elizabeth Swann (Turner now), NOT Blackbeard. Seriously? The fountain of youth? I dont like it already. Not piratey enough.

The movie is going to stink, but I will probably go see it anyway.

No Davy Jones, No Jolly Roger, No watching the movie for me..

I can't wait to see it! As pirates we are always up for new adventures and Jack is always looking for new ways to be immortal and be known as the greatest pirate ever. I do wish Jolly Roger was in but Im super excited to see the new movie!!

The thing that kept magic of the film was the lack of Real Pirates. The third POTC had flags of real pirates in the Calypso sequence. That was really great! But we never saw the actual pirates. And Blackbeard's Queen Anne's was there.

No actually Skirata, I have to correct you. The flag which was seen of Edward Teach's, before the Maelstrom segment, was that of Eduardo Villuenelva. Queen Anne's Revenge did NOT appear for the Maelstrom. In the 4th Pirates Movie, the story of Blackbeard will be set many years after Ocracoke inlet, saying that he somehow survived the incident, and had a daughter named Angelica (whom he brought up in the Inlet). Now out of aging, he searches for the Fountain of Youth with the help of his daughter.

Well if it were Curse of the Black Pearl till now, and if they said that Davy Jones were to come in the next PotC film, you'd say the same about Hector Barbossa not being there LOL. You'll just have to wait for the 4th movie and see... They're going to make a NASTY villain out of Blackbeard, according to Jerry Bruckhemier.

This movie is going to be great because it takes a new direction since the previous trilogy. People all across the world did not INITIALLY like the third one. Neither did I. The third one has a good repeat-viewing quality which is one thing AWESOME about it. You ca see it again and again to configure through the complexities of the plot. IMO it's my third fav film of all time
But this 4th movie will probably revive the magic of PotC for FIRST-TIME viewers, or people who want to give the series a second chance. I hope it plays a precursor to a new trilogy.

Aye thank you Chimera.

Elizabeth and Will are done, and most fans are only slowly recuperating from that "blow" to them (lol). Face it everyone, their story is over, and it clearly ended with "At World's End"

Lol. I never used to be a fan of either of them. I was for Jack Sparrow and Hector Barbossa as one of my favs, but the VILLAINS, Lord Cutler Beckett and Davy Jones (okay maybe you can include Sao Feng and Barbossa into this list) were definitely my favourites.

Jack is a funny character with a nice personality. Hector is one you'd like in At World's End... He also played a nice villain in the first one.

Lord Beckett is my favourite villain of the series. This is because he overpowered even Davy Jones, by his various manipulating tactics. There are other villains in the prequels that are also good: the Shadow Lord, Hernando Cortes, Captain Torrents, Villuenelva (he's a villain for one book), King Samuel of Libertalia, Madame Minuit, etc. I hope they all come to PotCo soon! XD

I myself will do the wait and see. It is kind of bad that a few of the main characters have been removed from the new movie and new ones added. My only possible issue is using a character from history because well... the truth is about black beard is pretty intense without fictionalizing it... As for all the movies as a whole I love the way Jack is reinvented in all the movies... He is slightly different in every movie and it really shows the quality and versatility of Depps work. I have read a lot of pirate history as I am sure many of you have and it amazes me how many little bits and pieces are added to his character making for great story telling.

I really can not imagine missing any POTC movie that comes out because I feel that in a time when most movies that are made seem to be remakes of previous works or very poor reproductions of video games, POTC represents a true original in story telling done with a fantastic elaborate set and attention to detail. I have seen a lot of pirate movies and none can measure to it in my opinion. They kind of did a good job I think in closing things out with the last movie and there are rumors that some really bad stuff had gone on to **** of actors and crew which probably is why they dropped a few characters. All-in-all I really cant wait to see where they take it good or bad. After all, where else will see and here the roar of cannons and the large billowing sail? Its the only game in town for us fans.

The Queen Anne's Revenge Is in the film. Let me find a a pic of the flag then you can re-watch the movie so you can spot it.

Um... read the the Pirates of the Caribbean Encyclopedia (*****)... It clearly states that Queen Anne's Revenge's flag that you saw, was actually Eduardo Villuenelva's flag. Go to Edward Teach's page on that ***** and see for yourself. They are reliable sources and their source is from "The Secret Files of the East India Trading Company". See it and then come 'n tell me savvy?

Both flags are in. Not just Villanueva. And keep in mind that all sorts of wikis are editable and have no facts or citations to support their info... And I read that page. And it has so many fake info in it. Like Teach's daughter and him rescuing his ship.

What do you mean Teach's daughter is fake? She's one of the leading characters for the 4th film, check on ANY site. The part in his background where it talks about him escaping with his daughter Angelica is not intended as a historical fact. I just went to one of the talk pages on that wiki (Edward Teach, PotC4 or something else).. where my fellow users there (yes I'm one of the users) were discussing about the same thing. They gave these two comparisons:
*In real life, Edward Teach had 14 wives
*In the Pirates series Edward Teach has 14 wives and one daughter.
I don't get what "rescuing his ship" you're talking about, so please tell me (sorry)
Anyway, I'll just consult a few people on it, but I'm pretty sure that the reference would be to either "The Secret Files of the East India Trading Company" OR "Pirates of the Caribbean:The Complete Visual Guide". But what makes YOU so certain that Blackbeard came in the third film? The story about OST is that Ed and his daughter has been hiding in the Inlet for many years (or a few) and now want to come out to find the Fountain of Youth, as I have read in some sites.

I dont care if Blackbeard will be a nasty villain. It's not going to be the same! I've said it before and i'll say it again: The reason why people hate sequels so much is because they lack the original villain(Even though Jolly Roger and Davy Jones weren't in the first movie). For me, when Davy Jones died, so did the trilogy. :smiley30: Davy Jones was Pirates of the Caribbean to me :smiley30:

Dont care about Beckett though. He was flatter then flat.


Same goes for Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann.. They wont be in the movie, it is not going to be the same. Same also goes for Pintel and Regetti, even though im not sure if they will return or not (I read that they wont)

Precisely my point. They are taking a Real Pirate and just nonchalantly changing his history. They are just rewriting someone history. That is what I meant about fictitious characters and how great job POTC did by not including any real pirates. He was married once. Before going back to piracy. I have done research about the life of Blackbeard. Imagine if they included George Washington's Evil Twin Emil Washington.

You are obviously talking about fiction I am definitely not. I am talking about facts.

And his flag is in the 3rd film. Don't believe me? Then just go watch it. They used real pirate flags.

I just hought of this for no real reason, but isn't Barboss technically in all of them?

So with me being an editor there, I thought I;ll ask you because of your statement. Should the mentioned story about his daughter Angelica come under a title Fictional History?

Yes. What I meant was that in the 3rd movie, the flag which we saw of Blackbeard's was actually that of Eduardo Villuenelva. I remember seeing a section that when this flags' scene appeared in the trailer, many users claimed that Blackbeard was coming to the movie, and the section said, "However this was revealed to be Villuenelva's flag". Okay now I did not tell you this: A user on that same site gave me the ORIGINAL script for PotC3 by uploading it for a day. In that very script, Blackbeard and Anne Bonny DO appear as Pirate Lords. But this idea was scrapped as they probably wanted to do something with them in Future. Blackbeard in this script starts a fight with Capitaine Chevalle because the latter had given Lord Beckett his piece of eight years ago in a game of... well some Chinese game. And Teach was removed from the script. Again as I said, Teach's fictional background story was that he was in hiding during Lord Beckett's
War Against Piracy. Then how could he come during AWE? He was in hiding because he was old. And again as I said, the fact that Teach's flag that we saw was actually Villuenelva's flag, is taken from one of the two books I mentioned. BUT I will have confirm about this with a user, and I will get back to you on that okay? BUT again, both of us will have to wait for the 4th movie for an official confirmation on his background (i.e, if he mentions anything about hiding or his involvement in the War)

Regards--- Midhav

Aye many people have different ways of starting a series, and as for you it was with Davy Jones (though most people would go for Jack-Will-Liz-Hector lol). Davy Jones was definitely a character I could connect with, and the only villain I have done so with (other than Barbossa). He was tyranny as a result of a tragic love, and when he died saying "Calypso", I myself asked my father whether he was coming back, and that's how sad I felt for him... and like you said, comparatively Beckett is a flat character. I HATED Beckett when i saw the movie the first time... For how he treated Jones.

Now saying that, let me come to the reason why I like Beckett. He was flat, yes, he was a character who I didn't even feel sad about. When his death scene came I just said "Ooh mesmerizing C.G.I." and probably "I hope he's learned his lesson". Beckett was this character who was sadistic, narcissistic, and who possessed a genocidal hate of pirates which resulted in him destroying all men, women and children who were convicted of associating with piracy. He didn't care for the lives of anyone around him and he was always this mysterious character. Mysterious because, when you look at him his face is just blankly staring at you, trying to take up Machiavellian ways of manipulation. He was meant to signify the darkness of Imperialism and his manipulation which made him control the seas was just evil. And evil because it was 1. just for good business and 2. for eradication of people he just despised for no particular reason (some history to that). Also, his lines... his lines were AMAZING. How he handled situations was said in his lines, and if you looked at his lines a bit closer you can see something else intended. For example that scene, where Liz threatens Cutler with a pistol... He clearly stated that he knew about what happened in Isla de Muerta the previous year and that was something really strange. "Ah, I see. You think the compass leads only to the Isla de Muerta, and so you hope to save me from an evil fate. But you mustn't worry: I care not for cursed Aztec gold, my desires are not so provincial. There's more than one chest of value in these waters…So perhaps you may wish to enhance your offer." He knew about the Curse of Cortes and the Dead Man's Chest of all things. When the film came I expected him to cower in fear at the sight of the King of the Seas, but he in fact reduced Jones to tears. And in Pirates Online, he made a multinational company join hands with a leader of Undead pirates who swarmed the Caribbean, and betrayed him when he saw the right time for it, even snubbing the Casa's efforts to destroy the Company. I treat Beckett as one of my favourite villains, because other than this, he was like... Lex Luthor? A man limited to his small human body, and powerful mind, to control over something FAR bigger. He and the Joker are a tie in my top villains. Lord Cutler Beckett symbolizing Imperialism, Industrailization and Tyranny. The Joker signifies Anarchy, Philosophy and pure madness. The exact opposites. They have one thing in common though- Psychological Manipulation. They both lie below my all time favourite Dark Lord - Sauron. Maybe even below Emperor Palpatine. You like Maleficent don't you? I somehow found your page on Youtube. Maleficent was someone I was really awed and scared about 10 years ago when I was 5-ish.

But coming back to Pirates of the Caribbean. For me Pirates is about... Jack Sparrow and Hector Barbossa.... Lord Beckett, Davy Jones, Sao Feng, Will-Liz (okay, I don't hate them), James Norrington, Guv Swann... They're just one of those characters who'll come and go... It's only about Jack and Hector to me. But I shouldn't forget Gibbs and Pintel-Ragetti (sad that this duo isn't coming)...