guild collective gm vote
 

this fourm is use to vote for the gm of the guild collective . they must be useing there main pirate to be gm have been or are a gm of a guild. the gm nominations so far are me and davy fireskull who has a guild and is a gm on his main pirate.

Hang on a second, we can still use our baby pirate to be the guildmaster right? Just checking.

To my understanding yes, the GM sends a baby pirate into this guild.

Wait, if the GM were to use their main pirate, what's the point of the guild COLLECTIVE? wouldn't it be a baby pirate representative of the guild in question? The main pirate would be lead of their guild?

Yes, thats what will happen. As I said before, lets try to make our pirate's name relate to our guild. I can send in The Shadow Sorceror, if Del joins he can send in a pirate named The Partner in Crime, Isaiah Ropeswine could send in someone named Eternal Warlord, etc. Just to avoid confusion. How about we all say if we want to run for GM, then we can start voting on say... Friday at midnight? (Or saturday at 12:01, whatever you like best).

the guild master of the guild collective should be the persons who is gm's main pirate. the gms of member guilds send eather a baby pirate or a represenative of there guild to the guild collective guild.

If that is the case, then nobody will run. Most of us cant put our main pirates as the GM because our main pirates run our guild. Perhaps this is not the best idea after all....

You are understanding it wrong DF. I think that what he is saying is that The GM of the Collective should be the person who is the GM of a guild. Besides your main pirate can change on any given day. Mine was Darman, then Ordo, now is Niner.

Countainer, could you please explain it clearly? Using some good grammar so that we can understand it? Im having a hard time reading your posts.

yes someone from the guild collective should use the pirate they use the most often be in the guild collective but not nessasaraly the gm. sorry for the confusion.

Countainer, you do realize that the pirate people use most often is the guildmaster of their guild, they would have to add baby pirates so they dont leave their guild.

That's pretty much what he meant...

If the GM is your most active pirate, he doesn't want you to leave your guild for the collective, rather he wants your most active non-GM pirate to lead the guild.

Ah.... Ok... you know what... I dont want to be the gm anymore... someone else can run.....

Helga thinks this is all a very bad idea because of lack of clarity and organization. Helga says it takes a great deal of time and skill to manage, what, 500 guild members from 500 other guilds, seeing as how there are at least that many GM's? Helga also says that it would take a massive amount of work to bring them together as a majority at specific times, being as all of the pirate brethren happen to be at separate time zones. Helga says it would also be vital to have a specific website or forum, which takes even more time, because a good GM does not leave it all to the lackeys, but wants to make sure it is done right. Helga says this should be looked at as a 40 hour a week job, not a fun game of who can play Mr. Sparrow and Ms. Swann.

Davy is starting to rethink this whole thing... Davy thinks that he will be a member, but doesnt want to be a guildmaster... Davy also agrees with Helga, on everything... And Davy is now mad at Helga for making him want to talk in the 3rd person! xD

It's not so much that the lack of clarity and organization will be it's downfall, but should it continue throughout it's creation.

If this collective wants to be a success, then it needs to be towed by the right leadership and structure, so that the work of creating it itself doesn't overcome it's actual purpose, of being fun. As in, it would have to require a system that doesn't centralize the work, nor does it spread a tremendous heap to each person.

so what i segested a small group like the security consal that has perminent members and those elected. also a lager group with regular to semi-regular meetings and huge guild collective events.

You know what, I dont really want to be a part of organizing this... Ill gladly help with it if it gets made, but I dont really want to be part of creating it, unless I see other pirates that I KNOW are great leaders helping out too. (no offense countainer, but I dont know you too well, and well, I just dont know if it would be very successful with just you running it. No offense at all, just saying that I want to see people like Del participating more, people who are known to have good leadership skills)

It would be MUCH nicer if we could tell what you were saying?:pirate2wn0:

What I got is:

"So, what I suggested is a small group like the security counsel, that has permanent membesr and those elected. Also, a larger group with regular-to-semi-regular meetings and huge guild collective events."

Sorry, but if you're gonna lead it, you might need to spellcheck everything...

~CM

P.S. I think it's already falling apart already, but with a great leader, it could come back.

I might join, but I probably won't due to others not joining, and I don't think that we have a talented enough (No offense to any out there) to handle this guild and handle the meetings, etc etc. Plus the lack of organization, and I have to agree with CM....

del it seams that every one is looking to you so please consenter joining and or running for gm.
a lot of people hear look to you please join if care about all these people at least consenter joining.

I personally love the idea of the collective. It has potential.

After much self contemplation, I have decided to step up and run for the position of leading the collective, UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: (if I get elected, of course)

• All the work will not simply be dropped on my desk, but instead, a little help here and there while I fix out the kinks.
• The well-being of both my guild and myself will not be completely sacrificed. GM of PNC first, GM of the Collective second ;)
• I have a swift hand in the majority of the functions of the collective.
• I would like to give it a nice, fancy name. Collective seems too ordinary. I prefer pazzaz :3

This is not a pompous list of demands, nor am I saying that I'm definately going to win this in anyway. I'm just saying, if I should win, then all I ask if for those four simple requests to be made.

Ok I will see who will win GM vote then I will Create another pirate for it.

Igor says
 

Igor says good luck Capt Del. Igor think this is a good concept but how it is put into action is yet to be seen. Igor say it does amuse Igor allot. :laughks2:

Im glad you stepped up to the job Del, ye have my vote.

first off i agree with all those points and collective was a temporary name so feel free to come up with a better name. second i withdraw my previous intentions to run for gm and vote for del. thirdly the work lode will not be solely on you there is a plan for a guild security consul(also up for a new name) which will have elections after this one and a few permanent members.

Uhh... should we even have an election? Everyone seems to want Del. Lol, if anyone wants to run against him speak now.

*pokes head in* 6 Crests for Del *pokes head back out*

i think his election may be over unless someone wants someone else as gm.

4K votes for Del!

Haha, 1 from me! And I'll join =3

I like the concept, and I would be willing to participate, and even run for leader, but I would also have a set of guide-lines.


My question is:

Clarify/define the purpose of the group, something that would motivate me and everyone in it be a proud member

Can anyone answer this question? or have suggestions


For example, I would be willing to join, a well defined concept that would pursuit for a common goal. For example, getting the guild into the leader-boards- so proudly say, we all did it together and server as example that pirates united can make a big things happen. Or server a purpose to each other that is sustainable. For instance, if the leader is not on for a few days, the guild be able to keep up and have their goals in mind.



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If not run for leader

I would be willing to join one of my pirates and be called Spanian



If run for leader

For one thing, I would add 2 pirates, 1 for leader ( if elected ) and one as common member or whatever rank is assigned.
I very much like the idea of each member creating a new pirate that represents their guild name.
Each member would be assigned with a good sense set of authority and representation, same as my second pirate.

Come out with a common set of rules that everyone can agree on.

and more importantly, clarify the purpose of the group, I would not like to just be in it for the sakes of being in it, there needs to be a common ground, something that would motivate me and everyone in it be a proud member

and lastly, it would not affect my participation in my own guild.


Also, have at the beginning a very strong agreement, for example, if I ever need to step down from my leader position ( if elected ), I would transfer my leader pirate/and or position to the new leader (any workable way).

and would need a solid commitment from the founder guilds, meaning that , not all the work be left to me. I would be sure to propagate the work among the group, or have some helpers do that, and they would have the responsibility of their duty as much as me

and last but not least, select a nice name, some suggestions that maybe everyone can vote on, but I would also need to feel comfortable with the name

also, perhaps it be exclusive only for guild masters only, or qualified first mate.

And maybe add a way so that gms can bring their officers if they feel is necessary, maybe have a guideline for officers names also, which would represent the guild they come from, not sure how this would work out, but seems that it needs to be exclusive for it it to accomplish its purpose. (Otherwise why not just join some guild called toilet and they guild anyone) And also I can imagine us needing more help, so there for is where we add the extra program to allow officers to join also, but following the guidelinesthere ther

PS:

for the leader selection shouldn't there be a poll? also, give more time like 1 or 2 weeks so that all the people that would like to run get a chance. And not just rush and all the sudden the next day, and everyone else who could of potentially being a core part of the group had not chance to see what's happening. And maybe give like 1 week for the selection ? , or why the rush if the group is supposedly be around for a long time?

First off dose anyone vote for Carlos or Evan know who he is. This doesn't include being gm of spania. Also Carlos read the thread guild collective it basically will answer the questions you have.

Thanks , I just saw that, after I posted. I didn't realized there was a thread already regarding the details. But anyhow, what I said it still apply.

If you found anything wrong with my post, can you say exactly what?

And looking like you are not allowing for further discussion on the details. Maybe is not such a great idea after all, well good luck mate!.

Cuban sea gang lol

I vote Mr. Carlos lol I knew him more then anyone else on here lol ive known his guild for a long time lol

I treed. Poll but it didn't exist soon enouh it is stll on gamebling on sports. so i started this fourm.

I'm going to start a poll to decide the gm. So vote for the better gm del. Who has over 1500 posts and a sub forum. Whale Carlos has 20 I have more posts than that.

Whoah. Hold up.

Just because I have 1,500 posts and a subforum, DOES NOT make me a better Guildmaster than Carlos. All it means is that I've been on this site a little longer than he has. Besides, Carlos has a very, VERY successful guild, which I truly admire through his and his member's hard work and determination.

I'm no better than anybody else, so don't try to paint me as a messiah.

I once met Carlos on the dock of Port Royal, and he seemed very nice. He leads the guild Spania, and that guild is EVERYWHERE. I think it will be a close run!

Also, I don't particularly like the favoritism thing you have going on, Countainer. How can you exactly turn this collective in to a successful establishment if you basically force the others to vote for me? Unless you leave your own opinions out of this, I refuse to run.

I see that Drama is already starting... ok guys, let me help run things along here.

If you want to run for the guildmaster, please post after me saying that you are running.

I guess Ill run, for guildmaster, but I have a feeling Del or Carlos will win.

Ok, people running so far are: Davy Fireskull, Delmaria Darkskull, Carlos

I believe before any polls is ran. We should know, who is on board.

After leader is chosen (and everyone is on board), I believe there needs to be an introduction of guidelines, and the leader will need to introduce or build the framework, for which the guild will be ran. Perhaps polls to decide certain things as we go along, make suggestions as we go along, vote on things as we go along


And suggestions should always be taken in consideration from members of the union as long they make sense and focus on the bigger picture

Also I was thinking,

In addition to adding his pirates (or her ) the leader should create a new account to exclusively be the GM of the guild (i t can be basic or unlimited is up to the leader; this is debatable ), that way in case the leader at some point steps down. Things won't end there, there will always be the option to transfer that account to a new leader or even add a democratic process to choose the leader in the future, I believe it expands the possibilities, so that the guild and the leader is not forced wholly and entirely on one person forever, seeming that many parties will be involved, and that someone will be around forever is not guaranteed. Or even on temporary basis switch leader if it comes down to that.



if it comes down to switch leader in the future

A new leader can indeed change how things are ran, but without violating the guild constitution, and would also need approval from the guild leadership members / or majority ( or whatever process take place )


is this making any sense?

Honestly, I don't like the idea of transfering accounts. You aren't supposed to do it, nor ever were. It's against the rules, I believe.

You shouldn't do it.

~CM

If this against the forums rules? Also notice that this kind of event is not done everyday and there could be exception I will Disney about that. And also since the account is not a personal account I don't believe there is any risk, and should only be shared among leader to another leader.

You could always transfer the GM pirate, in exchange for another. It's possible, and not against their rules, since you do it through them.

That would be a good option too, I have never done it.

But sounds more practical that the other option

My opinion:

The main reason The Brethren Court collpased was because it was so darn complex and difficult. This really isn't so much a guild itself, as it is a gathering of guilds. As such, it doesn't need to be treated like an actual guild itself.

The invention of the guild-part of the collective is just to make everything more convient; whose part of the collective, how we can contact them, blah blah.

If this really needs to get off the ground, then it has to be, of all things, simple.

I agree with things done simple 100%, but also think there needs to be not so simple things to take off the ground, and by being simple that is not gonna happen; so I guess there should be a combination of both.


Not too simple, but not too complex, something everyone can understand.


In the other hand if the purpose is only to contact them, and blah blah... then I would not be interested in joining.., because I don't think it would sustain any interest, when you are done talking or checking in. Or maybe I would who knows, I can still join I guess, but I definitely do not want to be the leader in that case.

And in reference to the "The Brethren Court", I believe it would not be anything like that. I was thinking, pirates working together for a common purpose translated into a bigger picture, guilds working together for a common purpose.

I was thinking more of... having a strong foundation; not really looking forward for anything complex. Just have something that everyone would be proud to promote and hold on to, and that would inspire others to Join, but just another guild to kick back and chat, why would anyone have interest in joining, if there is a million fish in the sea


I was thinking,

in the long run

1. first of all, have a sustainable foundation. ( This can be adjusted as things go along)

2.
Some ideas off the top of my mind:

offering training to other guild masters ( and /or their officers - so they could take advantage of that ) by qualified union members, in different topics, such a ranking, managing, and common things that other guilds might have struggle with. And even doing things for the union such for example, say a goal to make our guild show up in the leader-boards. Let each guild decide for themselves whether they want to participate - and help the guild. the concept would be like a brad new guild, made of leaders, and reflect that in events, or trainings, or goals. Something rather entertaining, and could be challenging, and todo's, and maybe special games, offer nominations. So example a guild accomplish something then award could be given, and they can proudly show it on their guild page. Lets say it is a guild, with and their leader willing to do more than just chat.

I chat every day, It gets boring, I would like something that brings positive change, can bring us together, and I believe it is very double, but ONLY with all the participation.

agreed we need a strong leader that people trust and or admire. both candidates have that quality. Del is a very active in the forums gm of pnc and has a policy of no alliances. Carlos is the gm of spania an award winning guild if i remember right strongest guild was the award correct me if I'm wrong.

Igor waves
 

Igor says many good pirates are out there mate. :piratewheelgo2: Igor think no need to rush new pirate consortium mate, the poll should be established and the votes should be counted. Igor think only way to be fair. Igor also wonder if it not be better to start thinking not of this as a guild but as an office, court or consortium of pirates to help alleviate some of the confusion.

Igor Greybeard
Honorable Mates


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Alright mates? Should we start the voting? Im dropping out actually, I dont think I want to run.

The two contestants:

-Delmaria Darkskull of Partners N Crime
-Carlos of Spania

Best of luck to both the contestants! I shall be voting for Del.

If we are voting I wanna vote for Carlos of Spania!

Voting ends.... Tuesday at midnight lets say?

I think I am going to drop from race, since Del and I have totally different prospective on how to run it, so I believe that is a major conflict unless we get to an agreement before hand. I do not want to upset anyone, and If I do this; I would want it to work , not just do it for the heck of it. On top of that the leader should get all the support he can get obviously.

I also agree with Igor on this:

Congratulations Captain Delmaria Darkskull! The guildmaster of the Brethren Court II!!! (Temporary name, unless you want to name it that). Del, I would start a new thread where you can post all the rules, guidelines, etc of the new guild.

Igor ask 3 hours for everyone to vote?!?!? Igor say Rome not built in a day mate.

Everyone except Del dropped out, unless Im mistaken... that would make Del the only contestant, therefore he wins. Right?

How did I know this would happen. Well del congratulations next up actualy founding the guild that will be the in game foundation of the collective/union whatever (also bretherans court 2 seams like were just the same thing all over again not the best image). Now back to the old thread.

I did not drop out, I said, I would if we don't get to an agreement. So far no agreement, but also , not even 10 minutes gone by. geez So much rush!

Oh, sorry Carlos, I thought that you had said you dropped out. Sorry about my misunderstanding.

Hold The Phone...

I think it's great that you are trying to make some sort of Guild Collective, however, in your attempt there has been a lot of back and forth here on the forums that is getting out of hand, and skirting the POF Rules.

Keep the chatter to PM's if you must, and in those PM's and here on the thread, be respectful of each other.

If you can't keep it civil, then this thread is going to have to go.

This is getting a bit out of hand.... we should try to organize this better.....

LOL that is what I been trying to say since the beginning, now you are catching up! JK :dancetl6: This is what simple things lead to. But I think once everyone is on the same page, it is better to keep things simple.

Ok well the agreement is.... whoever wins the election, the person who doesn't win will throw all their support behind the person who win, and the leader should be able with run things the way he believe is better. And there should always be room for clarifications, respectful debate, and ideas gathering. And if someone doesn't like how the leader run things, it could get as far as a vote, but the leader has to know about it and be able to participate. Not organization of rebellion or things like that. Should be a democratic process.

Good luck to all who wish to become GM!

So before we can get to a vote, everyone has to agree with the agreement everyone running for leader. So I guess that is Del, if you can agree with that, we shall proceed. Otherwise we shall not. Also feel free to express any thoughts or your own agreement if you like. I just want to make sure that we don't just go and start doing things without any organization. No one has offered more ideas, but if anyone wants to offer they are welcome to, as long it doesn't get too complicated, we shall see.

Perhaps your only taking me as the savage, argumentative, megalomaniac that I can evolve in to under the right temperature and pH range.

No agreement has to be made. Whoever wins, wins. I'm not the kind of person that tends to get upset if things don't go in my direction. As long as that collective doesn't spiral in to the anarchy of it's inevitable demise, I'll be fine :)

I didn't mean it for you necessarily. I meant it for the all the guilds and pirates and sane pirates, and not so sane pirates that we will probably find in our way.



I know what you mean, but I didn't mean it in that way. I know you are an angel. I mean it as a settlement. I meant it in a way that the people who you lead or the people who will joins the future, people who they lead, or people who doesn't fully understand, someone. will always tend to try to get things their way, or lead to thing to go down hill. Trust me I know it. So I have to have something to stand for, and if we run into any problems, and it gets out of hand, I will be able to say, sorry Mate you are braking our arrangement. Something I know will happen. Things are not made of flowers and I just know it will happen. Perhaps someone that isn't in their five senses. I want to have some insurance because I don't want to be treated as the bad guy that kicked out someone for no reason - or a small disagreement, and their friend get upset and things might start to go down hill. Is just something I know by experience. So I believe in my heart we really do need arrangements. Not for you or me necessarily.

I bet all Del will say is basically PNC's rules for the rules, as they are a nice set of rules. Maybe a couple additions.

Hope it works :3

~CM

You know what I am thinking ? Maybe I am not ready to participate on this as the leader. It is a lot of up hill work and I am willing to do it, but there needs to be a lot of support and participation, I was willing to take the challenge but also I had reasons not to do it, just trying to balance things out, and I now think that if there is not willingness and all the support - it is just more up hill work, AND STILL CAN BE DONE, but right now I can't afford that. I will join my pirate tho.

I know the price is high, and I am willing to pay it. But the price just keeps raising, and trying to cut back


So I guess this means, Del is the new leader. Congrats!

so dose del win or what. Also del can not say pnc rules because this is not a guild and is also a combination of a oligarchy(it means rule by a few people) and a democracy the gm cant just make up what ever rules he wants. this is not a monarchy or dictatorship it is a democracy/oligarchy.

It is a democracy. No matter what rank you are, you will have a say. Perhaps some people will have a slightly higher say than others, but everyone will count nonetheless

Please don't let others put words in my mouth, even if they are one of my closest friends ;)

I won't really say everything that I plan to do know, because it's unfair to the system to process your plans without the actual events transpiring, which are the foundations of it's actual creation. After all, you can't have a set of rules and guidelines that apply to the policies of the 1890s in the modern world, can you?

However, I will assure you, I'm not the tyrant that I humorously potray myself as. Everything in my guild runs as a democracy, and I intend to not squarrel the voices of my comrades here either.

This guild won't actually be a guild, though. That would simply be taking it to a further extreme. After all, the collective was created for the purpose of bringing together guilds of all corners, so they can help each other grow, befriend, and have fun. As such, the guild will simply function as a way to manage the member list, and create contact between each of the guilds involved more simple. After all, being a Guildmaster is tough enough, and I wouldn't prefer dropping the burden of another guild on each of the guild's shoulders.

As such as the guild not working completely as a guild, but a factor of the collective, I plan to create a new set of democratic functioned rules and guidelines which would appropiately fit the collective. PNC is a burden in itself, with all the crazies we have running around - double trouble! Pfft! Shoot me now! :p

I will begin talking with Countainer about the rules as soon as possible, each and every one of which will be voted on by the members of the collective. However, before we vote on the official list of rules, it would be smart to have all those who wish to be the founding guilds of the collective, step foward now and post their application on the collective's thread. That way, only those who actually want to be apart of the collective, will be the ones that decide on it.

all ready covered the collectives original thread has the information for joining. also again this is a oligarchy/republic/democracy not just a democracy.

Did you mean to say dictatorship?

no there is a difference a dictatorship has one person an oligarchy has a few. Think of it as how Britain. They have elected people and people who are in charge permanently and some how that worked.

Igor says
 

Igor is getting more confused by the minute :laughks2:

Well when you make the new thread be sure to post the link here

Helga says she thinks she will just go back to her own guild and site and keep an eye on this. (Helga still says clarity and organization are key)

here is the link to the old thread http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...ad.php?t=17118

I meant the new link, that is the old thread which will cause confusion.

Igor waves
 

Igor getting more confused again lol Igor going to get some rum may take a while with the stocks getting low so Igor zip it for now :laughks2:

Igor say fair winds mates


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I don't like remembering my Civics notes @_@

I did say it was a good set of rules, and a few more ;) Many guilds use similar if not identical rules, anyways.

Seems the vote is finished. Well Done.