Are People getting ruder and ruder?
 

I mean It's just getting ridiculous now I ask people to join my guild (Very Nicely) and I asked a friend who I play with and level up with lots and he said NO I WOULD NEVER JOIN THAT GUILD ITS A GIRLS GUILD AND PIRATES ISN'T EVEN SPELT RIGHT and I said well its because of the other guild and we had to spilt up and he then went Awww isn't that sad? I nearly threw my PC out the window at that point I then said Thanks for being such a great friend and he said NP and then I deleted him. And this happens over and over and over. And even when they are the GM of their guild I wish them good luck with their guild and they are still rude! And some of the adults are even worse with a incident that happened with my friend and a adult I'm shocked at what happened. What has caused all this rudeness?!

The cause of it? Some people are just rude. Some see others being rude so they go, "Ok, I can act like that and not get in trouble with Disney." Others go, "I don't care what people think of me, it's just a game, so I'll act however I want." To be quite honest, the only way you can figure out what's behind it is to get into the mind of one of these people. I, for one, don't want to venture there.

I do find it interesting that some people have that 'I'm anonymous so I can be obnoxious' attitude.

But, for me - your persona's reputation is ALL you have in game. Few pirates know me outside of the game, so why would someone want to damage their fragile online image by acting like that.

And once you've branded yourself like that - its very hard to recover.

Thank you!

Back when I firsted joined PotCO, people were ALOT nicer to random folks on the street than now. If you ask for help, or if they simply saw you needed help, they would be glad to take time out of their playing-time to help you, no matter what level they were. Now? Your lucky if you can get people to leave their little cliques and just say "Hi."

I'm not sure anybody can make judgement on why this is happening, because in every case, it must be different. But there are a lot of broad possibilities. To name just a few:

• "Pirate Nativism" - Some pirates that may be in the higher levels, or have been with the game longer, like to look down on newer pirates. This is DEFINATELY not the case with the majority of older players, but it is out there.
• Unawareness - Remember when you were back in Elementary School? Where the kids would say things that could hurt somebodies feelings flat out, like "Your ugly" or "You smell"? Well, some of those kids, believe it or not, may be playing PotCO (because lets face it, you know that parents will let their kids play games that aren't appropiate to their age according to the rating.) And of course, these kids are impressional. They see words used like "Noob" and "Stupid," they pick up on them, and then they volley them back to others.
• It's the Internet - A lot of people think that they are invincible when they're hidden behind a computer-generated avatar. They can say what they want, do what they want, and it won't affect them. "If I can do it, then I'll do it." Thats just some peoples mentallity.

Just a few of the scenarios.

And why is it growing? Also, unable to fully define. But it may either because its spreading to other players - or that the game is spreading to people.

Back when I joined, the game was a lot less populated than it is today. And the majority of those players were nice. Of course, there were "bad seeds." Now, lets look at it as a fraction. Say the ratio of good-to-bad with the old population was 3:1. Now, the game has multipled sufficently. So, lets multiply that fraction by 4, just as an example. That makes it 12:4. So both of them went up, but there are more "bad seeds" out there in that wide spectrum. So as the game grows, they might be growing as well.

Just possibilities. But either way, it's a problem.

I have had a lot of experience with rude people on the game. I believe that many on the game just want to be rude so people will be rude to them and cause more drama. This is not always the case though...

Im old my Pirate is old and my guild is old. Im old and cranky. Thats why LOL

No really. I have seen this as well. Back "in the day" so to speak the rudeness was mainly limited to those in their late 20 and early 30. The late 30's and 40's usually had calmed down by then.

Now the rudeness is no longer limited to those levels but , I have seen more and more high level pirates being rude. Not a good thing for the game as a whole. I find myself staying on quiet servers and mainly ignoring most players whom are not a DW. However I will go out of my way to say Hi to any guild I see active here on POF.

Overall I thing most of the older croud who have played for years shy away from "noobs" so to speak because we find it tedious helping those whom refuse to help themselves. EVERYONE was a noob once and they should do well to remember that. However, when you have a pirate that is rude in asking for help it is not hard to refuse. Now again there are many many new players that may need the extra push to finish their quest.

Instead of killing the brigand for them why not show them how to use their weapons and skills to do so. Or even just heal them.

Ok dissertation over.

Oh one last thing, just be polite you never know if that level one has a few dozen 50 or not....

First, you didn't seem that old, but it might explain the rust on your cutlass...

Secondly, that's not a good reason to be polite. You should be polite to level fives and tens, not just because they might have higher levels.

Personally, I think that most of you are right. I also think however, that the cause is simpler. Some people just want to attack and destroy; wither and tear down. And the fact that you're behind an avatar? That's just a bonus.

Another possiblity is that people just are too independent now, or act like it.
The fact is, back when the game was just beginning, the Caribbean was a wide, dangerous place. People could depend on each other, and would watch each-other's backs in the great unknown expanses of the game. Now the blank edges of the map have been drawn in, and pirates have adopted a 'I know what's out there. I can do it on my own! Get out of my way! I don't want your help!' thought process. This is turn has led to paranoia, and finally, the game started unraveling. This attitude of 'I want all of it for myself; I don't want your help." has to stop. Here's something we have to face; these people need our help.

If you find someone like this, try to talk to them. It's hard, I know. Well maybe I don't, as I'm better at getting into people's head than most. The point is, get to know them better. Help them. Maybe someday they'll return the favor.

Break the ice. Sometimes it's worth it.

Rudeness isn't a POTCO thing. It is an internet thing, a "kid" thing and it is becoming a USA thing.

People have been rude on the internet for years. It is nothing new and it strikes me as a bit naive to be surprised by it. It exists for a lot of reasons.

First and foremost, it exists because we are all happily anonymous. Anonymity breeds confidence. Anybody can be a tough guy when know one knows who they are. And no matter how well you think you "know" someone, you really don't. Not on the Internet anyway.

You know me (or not) as ex8404. What does that say about me? How old am I? What is my gender? Why do I call myself "ex8404" and not by a piratey sounding name?

Another reason it happens is that the last couple of generations have been raised by their televisions. And on TV, being rude or anti-social is considered funny. being rude becomes a "learned behavior" and some of us less rude people have to bear the brunt.

The game is 10+. What kids are you talking about? 3? 7? 9? Trust me. If an 8 year-old is on the computer, he has heard the word noob and didn't learn it on POTCO.

The thing that strikes me as most naive though is this concept of "friends." Internet-only friends are not your friends. If I am on your friends list and you know me as ex8404 or Jim Squidbones or whatever, I am NOT your friend. Want me to prove it? Ask me to borrow $10 or help you move a sofa. Try walking into my house and helping yourself to a cold drink out of my fridge. If someone can do that? They're friends. Oh...and knowing THEIR REAL NAMES helps.

Someone said, "Be nice, the noob might have a bunch of level 50s." And? Are they going to come over TP my yard? Respect is not a number, it's a way of life. A way of life that we are losing.

Pirate J? You were disrespected by a stranger. Not a "friend" because "virtual' friends" are just that. Strangers. You did the right thing. Take him off your list and forget about him. And don't take such offense at such a silly comment. "THAT GUILD ITS A GIRLS GUILD..." could be followed up with, "...AND GIRLS ARE ICKY!" Why get so worked up over what a child says?

Semper Fidelis.

I really hate people who are rude. I hate the people who want help and this is how they "ask": "Help me" "Heal me". I mean how hard is it just to add a "please, can you help?" its pretty simple.

i agree plz would be nice once and a while jeez if someone is nice to u the least u can do is be nice back come on ppl "cant we all just get along" lol :D

I'm really not affected by all of these problems. I like to stay away from drama and any time I even hear things that I know will end up in silly misunderstandings or fights, I tend to leave.

If people wouldn't put up with dumb arguments, POTCO would be a lot nicer place, but there are people that just LOVE to nitpick and hurt others feelings.

Also, I want to comment on the people think they're invincible on the internet thing. This is so true. When there's no face behind the avatar, you think you can do whatever you want without any consequences.

The fact is, when you don't have someone at your front door playing the same game as you, you don't care. If nothing will happen to you when you do something against Disneys rules other than a ban, that's it.

What's the big deal about hurting someone's feelings over the internet if nothing in my real life will happen?(sarcasm)

We'll never be able to change the way people act on the internet. It's their choice and we can't do much about it other than report them so they're never on the game again.

I agree and I always make sure to add please and such when i need help

I agree when i first joined i feel like there were alot more nice people to help you out.

I think that there are still a lot of nice people to help you out. But its kinda like trying to walk out onto a sidewalk in NYC during the noon rush hour :)

I have RL friends who play...I know the faces behind their avatars...so I look for the person behind the avatar, its just a habit. I have met a lot of unhappy peeps, also, who want to make everyone else that way, just like school days, which someone mentioned.

In any case, I decided I would keep trying to find the person behind the avie because it helps them to become more personal than impersonal in-game, and if I can help one player want to help another, or show a new player the ropes so they are anchored to our game, then the junk players are just no-seeums, buzzing around and gettin waved aside. ;)

I add everyone. i don't mind. Also I stay as far away as possible form The A Servers and those that are Ideal.

I guess that's why I have never bother with this problem.

People in Pirates are rude. I learned that just from spending a few minutes at Abassa.

But there are nice people. Ignore the rude people, or just TP away from them.

I've been playing online since 1986 and agree that in the last 5 years, the 'nastiness' has been rising. Much of it stems from a feeling of 'ownership' by people who have played a game for a while. They know and are known by the community and feel a sense of 'this is our playground'. Now, I am not attacking anyone here...I've been here since closed beta...but in the background.

Players' ages are not the factor here. I've seen it from young and old alike. We get protective of what we have established and grown with our online friends. When newcomers start showing up, our collective noses suddenly rise in the air and start excluding others. We forget that everyone was new at one point.

It really doesn't take any effort at all to be mean and nasty to others. But it does take the effort of good people with good hearts to welcome everyone when they arrive at the docks. That newcomer who is off loading their bags could be your best swabbie and mate in the future.

Treat others as you want to be treated. A dubloon's worth of help could help ye gain a treasured friend!

TQQdles™,

Dolnor Numbwit
aka Beth Darkfury
Eternal Testing Swabbie:dancetl6:

Think about people as wine (or rum if you like).
Good people are good wine.
Bad people are bad wine.
After a while, good wine gets better, especially when paired with other good wine and good food(a good environment in POTCO). After a while bad wine gets worse, especially when paired with bad wine and bad food.
When a good wine is paired with bad wine, the bad wine is too stubborn to do anything, so the good wine is slowly turned bad.

Remember: All wine tastes differently.

OT: for some reason I'm very philosophical this morning, must be the craziness.

Avoid the controversy, drama, etc. Try not to play into their petty tricks. Kill them with kindness and try to represent what you would feel the game really is, a community of quality pirates who enjoy the game.

If that don't work, try any combination of hitting Report, Ignore and change servers.

Asking for permission to attack enemies?
 

People are getting so much ruder now that the new loot system is out.:12_1_138: The chance to get a great new weapon has caused people to go crazy. I have been told many times to attack other enemies because I didn't ask to join them. At Darkhart, other pirates have told me to stop attacking because I didn't ask first.

Why do I need to ask permission to attack an enemy? Why do we have to ask to attack an enemy? Not one group owns an enemy, even if they are trying to level up. Groups of pirates are claiming enemies and they get mad if you attack with them. I was in the Thrall area with my friend and a group of pirates called us rude for not asking them to attack. I was called a little kid and a rep stealer just for attacking an enemy they were attacking. I am not a little kid at all or a rep stealer. I may have been too low (at level 38) to attack the Thralls but I still want to attack them. I have a mastered gun and I have strong weapons. People need to stop being rude and mean. It is just a game! Sorry for a rant but this has been bugging me for a while now.:forum smiley parrot:piratetongueor4:

People in the game are rude, but that's the case with every single game out there. As others have said, it's just the nature of the internet, nothing will ever change as long as people can remain anonymous. It's best to avoid those types of players, as not to get yourself caught up in it. Abassa is the main area that those players like to gather... never seem to go there without rude players nearby.

There's a lengthy discussion of this on another thread. Nobody owns an enemy, but it's still considerate to ask if you may join in. The person may be trying to level up, and receiving less rep for their efforts can become frustrating, and take up more of their time than needed. Although, the person could leave, crew up, or simply ask the other person to stop, rather than be rude themselves.

I know that I should ask to join them but I don't want to be told to leave. There are lots of places to level up too.

Here is the thread Sven mentioned if you are interested:

http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...ad.php?t=15270

I too have experienced rudeness pr just plain imaturity no matter what the age.
Just yesturday i had someone harassing me while i was in a crew. He kept bumping me and making all kind of coments. I said nothing for 15 minutes then finally said KNOCK IT OFF JACK and he stopped. I assumed he was a kid.

Bugs the heck out of me too!

Thanks for the thread!

If something like this happens, it's best to report the player. But good to hear they stopped before that was necessary.

I've been playing for a couple of years now and I don't see players as being any ruder than back when I started, if anything I believe that Disney has made an effort to clean up a lot of the nonsense that used to go on in game. For example kiddie and teen guilds trying to act like little street gangs in game, going around trying to make grief for other players and guilds. It still occurs but not as much as it used to.

Well Said ex8404
and Semper Fi from another Marine.
You hit the nail on the head and the issue is respect, which seems to be sadly lacking in society today, not just online but in general.

I recall a conversation I heard in public chat a couple years ago I believe I was on Tortuga on one of the busier servers at the time and the conversation involved several lower level players many of them basics complaining about higher level players being stuck up. Anyway the conversation got me to thinking.

First off I'm an adult player I don't want a bunch of kids on my friends list or adults for that matter randomly teleporting to me the instant I log into game, So I tend to be very selective on who I allow onto my friends list.

We are not obligated to Heal or Revive other players doing so is an act of generosity on our part and not an on demand service that we provide.

We are not obligated to add you to our friends list, our crews or our guilds, Begging and demanding such will result in an immediate refusal as will sending blind invites, if you don't even have the courtesy to say hello why should we accept your invitation?

If we crew you on our ships we do expect you to treat us, our ships, and other members of our crew with respect. This includes NOT grabbing the wheel without permission and NOT randomly shooting at everything you see while on our ships.
If you're new and crewing on a higher level players ship, treat that captain and his ship with respect and he will put gold in your pocket. Do otherwise and he won't allow you on his ship again.

We were all new once, I remember how difficult it was in the beginning to get into crew on higher level player ships. Didn't take long to figure out that sending blind friend invites didn't work well. What did work was striking up a conversation when it looked like a higher level was crewing up to sail and politely asking if they could use another gunner. I met some great players this way and began making some good friends.

I'll often be in port in crew, sometimes just crewed up with one friend and having a private conversation with them in crew chat. One thing that annoys me is having some random player come up begging or demanding to be added to crew. I will usually inform them that I'm having a private conversation with a friend and not interested in adding them to crew. At this point most adults will politely go on about their business and leave you in peace. Players who continue to annoy and interrupt the conversation, basically end up on a list of people I will never allow in my crews.

It all adds up to a couple of things, Treat other people with respect and courtesy and most will extend the respect and courtesy to you. Do otherwise and expect just the opposite result.

This actually happens now? I haven't played for a LONG time (at least half a year) and I wasn't here for the introduction to potions or the new weapon drops. I remember being at level 10 and my guild The Kry of Angels take me along on a trip to fight level 40's and that boss at Padres. I remember joining in a fight and people being glad you did, for the extra damage. If people actually tell you that you have to ask permission, I'm going to stay away from the populated servers. No more ideal for me. Only the quiet ones.

A couple of things everyone here has brought up is the age of these people. Now I'm here to say that I'm not an adult player but I know how to act right on the internet. I have to say that it's not exactly the age that matters all the time. Quite frankly I throw away age when I'm playing POTCO and I don't care how old they are. That's because as long as they're not rude or bothering anyone it doesn't matter to me whether they are five or 35.

I believe that ppl's real personalities shine through their avatars- if you associate with them enough on site. I have made many a good frend on POTCO that has carried over to other sites. Agreed that I don't know them from Adam physically-but it's difficult to hide your actual personna for any length of time. As for the rudeness, I believe it is a carry over from rl. Either they are like that in rl or can't get away with it in rl so they act out, so to speak, playing games. Best choice-just tp away or remove them from friend's list. There are many more fish in the sea or should I say Pirates on POTCO...

Thats exactly what I do!

if people r rude to me i do it back ........ its not the big of a deal

Ok something horriblly rude happened to me today. I'd like to share...

Ok so my friends and I were getting ready for Cannon Defense so we could rank on the Leaderboards for the competition. So we went ahead maybe 20 before a friend came, and then he logs on 20 minutes later when we're on wave 10. I decided that he could just skip 10 waves so he wouldn't have to go through the boringness and dullness of the first 10 waves of Cannon Defense. He decides that we're impatient, even though we're trying to BENEFIT him and does not decide to play. Later while we are playing, at wave 50 something. He had made a new player account, and made a level 1. He decides because we're so "impatient" that he can just walk in, sit there while us three people are playing Cannon Defense and just increase the difficulty. With thee people alone it was easy, when he came all chaos was unleashed upon us. I tried to convince him, along with others to make him leave, because he was rude, and obnoxious saying IMPATIENT IMPATIENT, even though we were trying to benefit he man, he just stays there, doing a cannon shot or two, so he wouldn't get booted or idling. He is then starting to keep saying IMPATIENT, which is annoying me. We lose somewhere in the 60's, shouldn't have happened but he did nothing.
Are people just rude for no reason? Don't people know that they overreact or what is enough, is ENOUGH?

That's all for today.

I was very ticked off by the guy who did that to say the least. Thats all I'll say because if I say how I really feel I won't be able to say anything on here for a while.


That guy :degen: <--- Me

More people are rude. That's the way people are turning out today. The only people that are polite usually become guild officers after a while. My guild is really cool.

Anyways, the rudest people end up in Fort Charles. Don't head there unless you are on a quiet or non-A/B/C server, or unless you are not afraid to report to moderators.

A little while ago something very rude happened to my brother.

Him and 2 other guildmates of ours were fighting General Darkhart for rep and loot. They had server hopped a few times to get there. They were fighting him for around 10 or 15 minutes before 3 or 4 pirates randomly arrived at Darkhart. They attacked him without asking them, and were very inconsiderate. They stole a lot of rep from my brother and our guildmates, and didnt act like they cared.

When my brother told them about how rude they were being they just said: SORRY!! and kept attacking. My brother told them that they were being rude, and one of them said: Sorry, im a butt.

If that isn't rude and inconsiderate, I dont know what in the world is. They ended up changing servers and fighting alone again.

The truth is, with more players flooding in, more rude players are coming with it. Unfortunately the only way to deal with it is to just leave. I try to be very careful about who I put on my friends list because of all this.

Sigh... most of my new guild arrivals don't make it for more than a few days because of being rude or inconsiderate. Or guild has a interesting rank system, for the sake of time I'll cut it short and say that two officers are allowed to kick people, me being one. Myself and my guildies test new arrivals to see that they play nice and if they don't we'll inform them and give them a warning. The ones that don't flip out right there usually just ignore what we said, forcing me to kick them out. In short: it's hard to find good friends, escpecially now, but once you get them you know it's worth it.

I already got yelled today by 2 pirates today I was at kingshead and they just kept calling me names. Like "Well look its a little kid playing pirates online" and "Noob" today. Still Im only lvl 45 and I didnt say anything to them what did i do? Just everyone be nice for a cause.

Gah, I hate people being rude. I just hate the people who are using things like flaming skull in fort charles on the grunts. It's so obvious they're not "leveling" as they say, but it just bugs me when you have some LVL 40 pirate walking in and using desolation on the veteran group or somewhere where people are working hard to actually LVL up, and if you have desolation or blade storm, you should be in tormenta, or outcast, places where there's decent lvl enemies. This isn't so much people being rude as much as a pet peeve of mine, really high lvl pirates taking on really low lvl enemies to show off or annoy the lower lvl players. I try to do this as little as I can, seeing as I'm a LVL 32 with mastered cutlass, so I generally reside to the assassin room or timothy dartan where there aren't low lvls who I could be rep-grabbing from.

Not everyone plays to level. The contests that disney is having now to defeat the most skeletons, navy, eitc and ships just encourages people to go on killing sprees. Why wouldn' t someone trying to maximize kills opt to pick off easy targets? :cat5:

Well, that I'm perfectly fine with, but I still see people do it when there aren't any special events.

Hanging out with guildies, or more accurately, being dragged into Andoso against my will, today I encountered an entire guild of people who were (Using my internet slang now) "griefing for lulz," I usually don't put up with such foolishness, and after a lot of griefing attempts on me, I RILed (Report, Ignore, Leave) Which made me think about trading. If we do get trading, think about all the Twinks who will do it to annoy us. (Look up twinking on wikipedia, I'm too lazy to do the description) So anyway, we gotta learn to live with it. It's not going away anytime soon.
Just Remember,
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Many guilds just love to make others upset. I dont mean to point any fingers at specific guilds, but there are a lot of EITC guilds that do that

I was playing with my basic account, along with my UA, at the same time, and then this lvl forty two says, leave your a noob.

I said why and he whispers, LEAVE, You're too low level! You're taking up the space at Neban!

I ignore him and if i did get knocked out, he would say don't revive him! Luckily I had a friend ( Celtics and others :) ) to save me, along with other guildies. Then he starts cursing ( reported him then, bout five people ) and he starts saying I will come back, and then starts cap spam, then I pvp him, he has a crew of 3 people, and I had davy and dog, he went to knock out davy every time ( low level 8, ) and never attempted with me, I was in yellow and we tied.

I guess the moral of that is, rude people are everywhere, and then some want to pick a fight...

That was a really sad moment... and I was having fun talking to him (he was fun to mess with.. rofl)

I missed it! I could have backed you up! Ah well.... LoL CM! This had to be what he was doing :39: Man... The Nerve of some people...

Sometimes if Im fighting at a high lv enemy, and some low level comes along, Ill tell them that this may not be the place for them, and that they can get killed. I never yell at them to leave though. I do however tell them that they will be revived once, after all, I cant be wasting my tonics!

Also, this brings up another topic. What is a noob? (Yes, I know what I think it is, but what are your opinions?) Many people use the term very loosely, and it angers me...

It totally bothers me when I'm whacking darkhart's head apart with my cutlass, and some level 10 runs in and taunts him and gets demolished because I normally need the miracle waters for myself, so I have to finish off darkhart, get the loot, and this is all while the guys yelling at me for not reviving him, and then I just won't revive him when he keeps getting killed because he keeps taunting. Sort of a addition to your post, davy.

And the term 'noob'. Well, the fact is most "noobs" are really "newbs" who are newbies to the game, since 'noob' mainly means like an idiot or troll or something like that.

The term noob when it first appeared seemed to mean new and inexperienced....but some people and not all, mind you, use it as a means to disrespect someone....not cool.

That, Seafox, is a good answer... I believe it evolved from the term, newbie, which then turned to newb, then to noob. To me, a noob would be somebody who just started the game, doesnt really know how to play the game, doesnt use chat, and of course, a crude blunderbuss always helps the image a bit hehe....

Actually I have a second kind of "noob". Somebody (this can be any level) who does know how to play the game, and maybe can play it well, but doesn't treat other players well, acts totally immature, and acts like they are king of the game.

However, Im sure that we were all noobs once! Who knows, that noob you see killing gravediggers today could be a maxed level 50 with the lost sword of el patron in a month. RESPECT EVERYONE! TREAT THEM LIKE YOU WOULD TREAT YOUR GUILDMATES, OR FRIENDS!

Or that little pirate could have a level 50 and lost sword already. Unlimited players can create 4. I have a habit of deleting my smallest and starting over for fun. :cat5:

My guildmates think it is hilarious when people call me a noob when I am playing a baby pirate because they know better.

Ok than since everybody is saying this I'll appoliguys to a few people that I called a “Noob”. I'm very sorry for that person. I agree!!! People call me a noob thay should take noob off the word list and pm me if you need any help with anything and I'll give you the times I mostly come on.

You're all noobs compared to how nooby I am.

I'm so proud to be ubnub.

I know yell at me and complain but here it goes SOMETIMES if im at the thrall den fighting urchinfists and Thralls a whole guild of people most under lvl 13 come and storm the place they started fighting then got knocked out sent to jail I did not want to revive them because first off they should know its to much of a place for them and they wont stop rep stealing! Some will come back then I would fight a ememy they come and fight so I just stop and wait for the thrall to turn to the lower lvl 13 and knock him out plus they started calling me rude trash and all. There

I tend to revive people once, and while I'm reviving, I tell them that this isn't the place for them, and that I will revive them only this one time. If they die again, and start yelling at me... well cant say I didnt give them a fair warning. Whether its a friend, a guild-mate, or a stranger I go through the same routine. And if you ask me, I think that it is rude of them to just come in, get killed in one hit from a Thrall, demand a revive, get killed again, and keep demanding more revives. Its disrespectful and inconsiderate to the player who always has to revive. It is out of my generosity to revive you, and use one of my precious tonics on you, instead of keeping it for myself when I may need it.

Sorry, just wanted to make my point. To sum it up, I find it rude to constantly die and demand revives, and to call me rude to not revive you after giving you a fair warning.

Okay, there are certain parts of this that I will agree with Titanic. Really low level players (1-20ish) should not be in certain places, such as the thrall hall or darkhart. However, what I do is give them warning, "Hey, this place is too high level for you. You should go somewhere else where you have less chance of dying every three seconds." I'm polite about it, and I revive them. If they ignore me three times over, though, my hospitality goes way down. I will not revive them, nor will I fight anything they fight. If they decide to keep coming back, after I warn them (and I usually warn them multiple times), they are just being rude, so I ignore them completely. That's my view on it.

Rude seems to be the norm now rather than the exception. And that is across all levels.

I wouldn't necissarily call them rude because i find that, most people that are brand new to the game, don't pay attention to the chat or anyone talking to them. If he doesn't respond when you ask him to go away, then he doesn't pay attention to the chat. If he does respond when you ask him to go away, and he says "no" then ok thats rude.... lol

This is off the current conversation a bit... but it kind of annoys me when I politely ask somebody if they want to join my guild or something, and all they say is: no. I know I know its a little thing, but is it that hard to say "no thank you"? or "sorry, I'm joining my friend's guild"?

Again, its a little thing, but it still annoys me...

I just dealt with rude people during the Padres Del Fuego invasion. I got killed, no one revived me, so I went to jail. When I got there this guy kept using his voodoo doll to knock me out. I have no idea how. So, he knocked me out about 4 times and I told him I was going to report him if he did not stop. Then he said he wasn't doing anything wrong, and knocked me out again. I ended up having to turn my computer off, just to get away. >_<

My guild and I caught up in an incident right yesterday.

It was right after we did our Victory Shark Fleet, and we were dancing out on the beach of the French Island, having a small conversation and gathering friends for a game of Hide and Seek Tag, minding our own. Of course, this one guild keep coming up to us (one by one, so it seems they have a pattern down by now) and calling us names, saying bad stuff about us, challenging us to SvS, stuff like that. We, naturally, ignore them, but yet they persist. So, I go with my reflex: kill them with kindness. I attempt to start a conversation with them, and they seem like nice people when you get to know them. Everything is all and well, aye?

Wrong. Not even 10 seconds in to our game, one of our guildies shouts out in crew chat that he was being chased around/harrassed by that same guild. So, Del transforms in to Papa Grizzly mode and goes to help our dear guildmate.

I confront the guild, who, naturally, deny that they were doing anything wrong, after my guildmate had told them repeatedly to stop bothering him. I ask one of them to bring me their Guildmaster so I can have a chat with him, but lo and behold, the guy I'm talking to is the Guildmaster. What a way to set an example for your guild, eh?

So, I start telling the guy and their guild off (because once I warm up, I might as well be tearing down islands one by one,) about how rude and immature it was to do such a thing. And what is their GM's response?

"Let's go War Sloop 1 on 1." Yeah.

Now, I was tempted to whip out the VS and send the mate to Davy Jones's Locker, but I was trying to stay away from their level as far as possible. And really, who needs a virtual competition to decide whose the better person. Pu-lease.

In the end, my guild and I reported all of them, and headed off to another server and go do the invasion. Now, I know some of you would disagree how I handled things. That I shouldn't have gone out of my way to teach those mates a lesson in R-E-S-P-E-C-T. But no. I had to do what was right, and stand up for my mates. I'll be darned if I ever let somebody walk over my guild like their simply garbage. It's one thing to stand up for yourself, but it's another thing to stand up for the people you care about.

P.S. Ask my guild and I. Whenever somebody calls us noobs, we respond, "We're noobs and we're proud!"

It's true. Though naturally, I'd just stay quiet and not say a thing...
All of that could have been avoided if we just switched servers, though...

Yeah, I remember that, those guys were really really awful to chips, or at least I think they were harassing chips. I wonder why those guilds feel the need to be jerks to everyone they see.

Maybe the reason people are rude to me because there jealous i'm so coolio! :D ( Or because I caused a lil bit of trouble, but that's another story! )

When i first ventured into this game i had the thought of its just a game and nobody will care how i act i was rude and i apologize to my guildmaster everytime she comes online for what i did in her guild i was a ruckuss and caused problems everyday... It was hard to pull your self outta something like that but now i hope ppl don't see me as they once did because i've tried hard to earn the reputation i have on this game now. Just thought i'd share hehe

Captain Del, you guys were sailing all the different Victory Sharks near the SvS islands yesterday? I was doing PVP when a group of about five or six ships called "Victory Shark" made a line of ships right in the middle of the SvS islands, almost like a wall, making it more difficult to play, because light sloops of French and spanish could get through, but bigger ships had to go around, and I was sunk five times with a crew near the wall of ships, because they were in the way.

If you guys want to make a wall of ships, you should expect the worst from other guilds, who were probably harassing you because they were upset at your wall of ships in the way.

By the way, you reported all of them? Maybe you should have checked all of their chat, because if they didn't say anything that could get them reported, reporting a group of people could be seen as an attack on another guild to Disney.

And ignoring and reporting should always be done AS SOON as one person makes a nasty comment. They're not worth getting into a conversation, and as soon as you notice something wrong just tell everybody, ok, let's head to a different server, we don't want trouble with these guys. Confronting people in an online game seems childish when there's an ignore button in the palm of your hands. If I had one in real life I'd use it all the time.

Indeed we were. However, if you see a wall of ships in your way, it would be a better idea to stay away from it, then to sail right next to it. After all, you dont drive your car in to stone walls, do you? Same concept. However, I do apologize for the inconvience that it caused. We were trying to take an indirect poke at those who take SvSing way to seriously, but we never intended for ships to actually take it in directly.

Actually, those mates were already there by the time we ported. When we showed up and started our little party on the beach, they kept trying to but in to our conversation. Besides, how would they know who we were in the first place? Based on the way they talked about our guild, I don't think they've ever seen us before.

The reporting was also based on the chat. Half of the time they keep whispering to me "Your an arr arrr you garr." So, I think that could be classified as rude/inappropiate.

I realize that's what I should have done in the first place, and I accept the faults I made that day. But your judgement changes based on the situation. Also, I had instructed my members to leave the area (as I do whenever conflicts arise,) but they wanted to stay behind to support me. After all, that's what guilds are for - you help me, I help you.

Agreed.

Two days ago during the "countdown phase" of an invasion, I saw a guy picking on another player because their pirate was small in stature. He kept telling here that she was going to die quickly because she was small, even though she was a level 43. I tried to tell that pirate that height didn't matter in the game, and to stop picking on her. Then he turned around and said,"UR a fail", then called me a noob. Even now I wonder why I didn't go ahead and report him.

So my advice is, if you see a player picking on another player, even if it isn't you, go ahead and report him/her.

I usually don't put up with such things. I don't argue with these rude players, just say "Please don't be rude" and they usually get mad right then. Then I report them and ignore them, and do whatever I was doing. My friends and guildies call me "Colonel" because I'm very strict on this issue.

In fact, a few hours ago someone who was in my old guild (whom certain people, including myself, left and made a new guild) came up to me and my guildmates and shouting hateful things about myself, our GM, and our new guild. Then the other person had their guildies TP to them. Big mistake. I told everyone in Guild Chat about it and EVERYONE online TPed and gave them a piece of their mind. I had already reported the other guild, and sat there without saying anything. They then PVPed us and they got one kill off of the GM's baby pirate.

All in all, I don't let things like this bother me. In fact, they somewhat amuse me. They give us a good laugh or two.

Totally, as rude as they can be, I can easily get a laugh. Especially when they come back with some comment that makes no sense... the other day I saw some guy picking on another person, calling him the noob guildmaster. I came in and told him to quit being rude, and he started trying to say that the other person called him a noob first... it was kinda funny, because I could tell he was struggling to figure out some way to make him look like the good guy, when he obviously was not.

What would be wrong with just ignoring the rude person? They can't touch you, they can't take your stuff and they can't even follow you if you don't say anything.

I used to overreact to rudeness also. But one day I tried a new tactic. I completely and utterly ignored the other person. What I discovered is that a rude person's reaction to being ignored is WAY more entertaining than matching rude behavior with rude behavior.

Works for me anyway...

Completely agree. While I used to take action in Toontown to rude players, one day I just got sick of it, and to my amazement, I got about five minutes of entertainment from someone that I just decided to ignore.

Today, even, in PVP I had an encounter with someone not too friendly. Ignoring them was entertaining, and I took screenshots of everything he said. It made for a good laugh.

But I understand how hard it is to ignore people sometimes, but once you can, it's hilarious when you see what they say.

Was there someone else with a staff with blue force field? If so that glitch has to be fixed ASAP.

Agreed. I have a solo pirate and instead of hitting "Ignore all" the first time around, I always make a point to just say "No, thank you, I like keeping one pirate solo" or something to that effect. (Most of the time I have found this is a sufficient answer, amazingly enough. But of course there are those who get very snippy with me and throw around names and such.) I feel that the manners I was taught for the real world should also apply to POTCO. =)

And I don't think the rudeness will get any better as time goes by...I understand that many of the people in the game are a younger set, but that doesn't mean it's voided the second I log on to what is essentially an anonymous game. But then again, it makes me wonder how the person is outside of their pirate facade...if they choose to act as rude in person as some of the people I've run across in the game. :piratetongueor4:

Yes, there was one. And earlier during the Tortuga Invasion, I went to jail, and there were more people trying to knock out the other players, again. I'm guessing this happens alot. -_-

Yea this glitch has to be fixed I see more people seen going to jail on this one.

Also, people ignoring you because "you arent the boss of me!" stuff.

I was playing on my lv 19 pirate yesterday, training on Cutthroat with two guildmates of mine. Out of the blue, two people, a lv 12 and 9, come up and keep attacking my kills. I politely tell them to stop, and the lv 9 says: Make me. This continued to happen, over and over, with remarks like "your not the boss of me!" and "What are you, my mom?" It really annoyed me that people could have such little respect for others.

I was really considering pulling out Davy and then destroying every enemy they got near with my grand blunderbuss... but I didnt, for better or for worse. I dont even see why people at that level should be on Cutthroat. If you ask me, a player should not be in an area if they cant kill the enemies there on their own. All they could do was attack my kills and steal rep from me. Again, it really struck me as to how rude they acted, acting like they didnt even care... sometimes I even wonder if there are people that dont know that there are other actual humans playing this game, and they think we are just computers... its a possibility....

I could have reported those guys.... but I decided it wasnt worth it. Unless somebody is really harassing players, or cursing their heads off, I usually will let it slide, but I will always give them a piece of my mind.....

One time I went to Kingshead and there was a level 31 who was reviving a level 8 basic, but every time he was almost done he would hit esc and then repeat this. I went over to the guy and revived him and the level 31 got mad at me. Kind of annoyed me because it has happened to be before and its not fun.

You see, that is a pirate acting mean, and immature. What he could have done is revived him once or twice, telling him that he shouldnt be here. Thats what I do, and if they person doesnt listen, they dont get a revive, and if they are mad at me... cant say I didnt warn them.

This is one of the problems with the revive feature. If that level 8 basic was killed, and just sent to jail, if he was smart, he would have figured out that he shouldnt go back to kingshead. Thats what happened to me when I went to Fort Charles as a level 2 :pirate6: However, with the revive feature, people expect a revive, and explode if they dont get one. And then there are the people that dont revive just to be mean. Not saying that I dont like the revive feature. I do! I think its one of the handiest update they have given us! Just saying that there are a lot of bad people who abuse it.

Oh, I remember a 'tuga invansion because in jail these people were using the defense boost glitch to attune to people who were in jail and kept killing them, what jerks.

How in the world people can find this stuff fun I'll never guess.....

Oh, and I just thought of something else....

Dont be mean for this reason. If you are mean, then players will not be having as much fun in the game. This discourages them from continuing to play it. If they are basic... ok, doesnt matter too much, although being mean is being mean. If they are unlimited access however, and they dont want to play because of rude players, then they may cancel their membership. Just one person doing this wont hurt POTCO much, but imagine lots of players being jerks, to lots of unlimited players, causing them to cancel their subscription. This means less money feeding in to POTCO, which means less money to help make updates, which means less updates, which means even MORE people canceling subscriptions, which means POTCO losing even MORE money, which means POTCO shutting down.

That would be the extreme view of what could happen, however, if you are being a jerk to lots of players, keep that in mind.

Still,

You should treat a basic and an unlimited with the same respect.

I agree with Dog. Just because somebody is Unlimited, doesn't mean that they should be treated better than basics. If you want to save POTCO, then don't be mean all together.

I saw people trying to KO others in Abassa by standing in the jail and using a -1 move to KO them and crash them.

Me and along with others saved a Padres Invasion.

I never said that you shouldnt treat basics with the same respect as unlimited access players. You should be kind to everyone. Im just saying that unlimited players may stop playing the game because of this, and their quitting has a bigger impact.

It doesn't matter if the person that quits is unlimited or basic, both ways have a big impact. An unlimited player quitting only prevents them from renewing, which gives Disney money. A basic player could upgrade to unlimited, giving even more money.

Everyone should be nice to others no matter what. If that isn't possible, both players could simply avoid one another.

Yes, people should be polite to each other no matter what.

I just got an idea. So, when I see someone being rude or mean, I wont usually report them unless they are really being bad. They should have a second Mean or Rude Behavior report button, one that is less severe. In this one, you can type out what happened, and the disney mods can double check everything later. In this one, you would have a three strike rule.

If you violated it once, Disney would send you an email warning you, saying something like "You have been reported of rude/mean behavior on your pirate _________. Continue rude behavior and you may be banned. This is your first out of 2 warnings. On the third you will be banned.

If you violate it again they will send another email saying: "This is the second time that you have been reported for rude/mean behavior on your pirate ____________. This is your final warning. Continue rude behavior and you will be suspended.

On the third warning you will be sent an email saying that you were suspended for bad behavior. Perhaps they can clear your record of minor violations ever 6 months or something. But I like this idea for people that I think are being rude, but not worth banning.

I wish you could type out why you reported them, especially since Rude/Mean Behavior is a lot of things, from killing people who just go into jail, or saying bad things to people.

Agreed Jib. Its way too vague...

Well... today I had another encounter on Andaba. Some guy was harassing some other pirates, and I told him to just leave them alone. I asked him why he was acting so mean, he said "because its funny". -_- yea, I agree with you guys, what a creep. Then he told me to go away, nobody asked me, and then he called me fat fingers.... what the heck!? Who says "fat fingers"?! When I told my guild about him calling me fat fingers we all started cracking up... seriously, these jerks, as mean as they can be, can really give you a laugh. Anyway, I reported him.

Fat fingers.... xD

Well you got to it part of it was a little funny! :laughks2:

I wonder if that was the same dude that was rude to me after you left....

I don't really remember the conversation because everything went into a red haze of rage. I said something because the dude was playing around, aiming his gun at peoples heads. Yah, whatever, we all have guns too, and none of us can do any damage with them. Ah, wait! I remember. I said "Are we really gonna play this game mate?" He goes "blah blah blah" then something about me being a basic noob.

Brilliant. Thanks. Like I said, red haze of rage.

I really hate it when people make fun of my being basic. It's one thing if it's my friends or something making fun of me, I dunno, not having a broadsword or something. That's completely different. But when it's some guy in Tortuga that sees I'm grey and thinks I'm lesser for it? No, just no. If I had Unlimited, I would get it, but I don't have the time or the money for it. It's like some people have said: Others don't seem to realize that there's an actual person behind the screen.

i can understand Pirate J ppl are getting ruder and ruder
all we can do is one thing
"IGNORE"

For this idea, would they read over the ban and review it? Or will it be auto-ban? Can't wait to see a million pirates get false-banned...

I have to agree... I see more rudeness then ever before.

When I first started playing people seemed to help out more and were nicer then what they are now.

Just the other day I went on a quite server to defeat Dark and a a few people were there from a particular guild and they called me and my friend rude because we went there and apparently we were stealing the rep... After a few words were exchanged someone told me I was very unattractive and, well I had to actually laugh and I said you mean my avatar? rofl... I mean you have to go as low as to tell someones 'pirate" they are ugly? * rolls eyes*

Spying and in game stalking is also rude behaviour . I encourage people to report it by going on live chat after reporting it first in game, as harassment.

I would like to see a feature added to the in game report a player function. Not all forms of rude or abusive behavior show up on a chatlog. As I understand it the Moderaters rely almost entirely on chatlog records as evidence of abuse. Let me give an example of such abuse and moderaters my intention is not to break any site rules with vulger discussion and I will attempt to keep this as clean as possible in my description of such abuse I've seen recently in game.

I have seen some vulgar and disturbing behavior by what I would view as pervs in game players who warrent a permanent ban for their behavior. These individuals I speak of have learned that by not using the chat features they become nearly immune from moderater actions unless the moderater happens to stop by and discuss the situation in game with the person filing the report. I've not seen this happen recently.

One example and this guy did use chat, don't know if he was banned but I do know that he was reported. This guy used the shrinking potion he was then running around a crowded beach running between the legs of female avatars pretending to look up their skirts and shouting "What a great View he had"

Again Moderaters No offense intended this is the only way I could describe these examples of vulgar behavior that are occuring in game.

Darkhart seems to bring out the worst in people. Long time ago I was at Darkhart with a couple guildies when these teeny level 6 basics pop in. Basic or unlimited no level 6 has any business on PDF much less at Darkhart. Yet sure enough they start to try an wail on him. We politely tell the girls they aren't big enough, and we aren't reviving. They of course go down like rocks. When they use local chat to TP back to my friend and start again!! For more than a half hour these girls get ticked at us for not reviving or healing them. Seriously?

Well, I'm sorry but at that point I'm most likely to hit Darkhart, then when the too little player starts, back off an heal myself, an let Darkhart kill em. If you're in single digits back beach is WAY beyond you. :P

i think it be there knocked out and noone it reviving them and theres like 10 crew mate :D