Guilds Under Attack?
 

In the last week 3 guilds: Darkside demons, The Guardians and Coastal pirates were attacked. They all have over 200 that were booted. Just letting you all know to be careful who you guild and who you make an officer.




savage hearts was also attacked earlier but is not related to these 3 attacks

This is why the Elite Thievery Company has the system it has for promotion.

You aren't even considered a full member until you've been with us for two weeks. Then, you can be promoted to Petty Officer by Officer vote. And the Petty Officer rank is not a Full POTCO Officer.

Only have the second promotion can you get full rank.

So, a member in our guild will often have to be with us up to a month and most sabotuers won't wait.

THIS IS THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR GIVING AWAY PROMOTIONS IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST JOIN YOUR GUILD - LEARN THE LESSONS OF THE GUILDS ABOVE - DON'T GIVE AWAY PROMOTIONS

As Eliza said, promotions should only be given to people who have been there for a while, or are very well trusted. However, I don't think that was the case here (as a trusted officer could of done it, or someone got hacked, etc.)

The bottom line though, its pathetic that people have to resort to this (especially to one of the guilds listed, as it has had this happen numerous times). Good luck to all the members, and hopefully they can find their way back home.

Yeah it's a problem, i mean my old guild Darbodean Fury had a problem with that one time and that was it. I was booted by an officer but there was no one else booted other then me so yeah. Now our guildmaster is never on and he's supposedly in haiti so now I'm in another guild called Dreams of fire so yeah.

Being myself, a former victim of a crashing (not in PNC, a much older guild of mine,) I know what its like to go through it. I am deeply disheartened to hear this happen, especially for one of the guilds listed, as I know this has happened to them in the past.

Its downright childish for pirates to harm other guilds. Really, are you trying to hurt them for revenge, for satisfaction? Your victory is just a lose shrouded in anger. Seriously, grow up and enjoy the game.

I'm sure that careless action is not behind the crashing. I know these guilds are quite well established, and I'm sure they wouldn't just hand out promotions.

All I can say is best of luck to all of those pirates who came online without a home. Your guild is still your home, and I'm sure they are leaving you a big trail of breadcrumbs so you can come back. I only hope you recover as soon as possible. Best of luck, mates :)

My guild suffered the same problem, the ones who didnt get booted ( officers ) then got mad at the GM for making it to easy to become an officer. This caused even more to leave. The Gm then made all new members officers so he had sole power to boot as a prevenative to this happening again this made his officers that had been there from the start mad and even more left. Not sure what the solution is but a time limit would stop the people that are doing it for sport. I will say when it happened I was surpirsed by how fast some of the "faithful" people jumped on the linch mob and started pulling people out to start ther own guilds. Goes to prove even the best choices for officers can turn on you or work against the guild if upset.

Folks before you get really going on this, there are many alternatives to how a guild could be deleted.

Couple of examples:

1. Like the infamous child who accidentally sold my first War Frigate, any younger child who you might have let play your pirate could have accidentally booted players.

2. If you shared your account with anyone (girlfriend, boyfriend, whomever) and they got made at you, they could have done it.

3. Disney occassionally messes up.

Things to remember:

Carefully hand out officer privileges. (Just because someone has been in the guild a long time does not make them good candidates.) Besides there really aren't any benefits to being an officer, so be suspicious of someone who pushes to be promoted.

And develop a good friends list. Make sure that you have guildmates on your lists so you can locate them quickly and reguild them.

Good luck to you in reestablishing your guild network.

Lostmymarbles is correct about the friends list. Make sure everyone that you guild is on a couple of officers lists. If this happens to your guild, you can easily find any member that has been booted for reguilding. It is a great safety measure in case the unthinkable happens. Good luck to all the guilds in finding your lost mates...

I'd also like to warn big guilds, be careful what you say around others.

Many times I've seen big guilds have one member out alone doing one or two things that don't make the guild look too good, and this could be a reason why they're getting attacked. Big guilds where officers are in control the whole time is not good, and I've actually have people tell me they wish they could boot everyone in the guild for banning them.

First, be careful what you say around other guilds, and treat people with respect, because many too many times I've seen people get angry at big guilds for being disrespectful. None here of POF, however, and I think it's because the mods do a great job of making sure all the members in the guilds are good members.

Another, probably more obvious reason for guilds getting targeted is simply because of their size. It's really horrible to see these big guilds that worked so hard and long to just disappear because of one officer that booted a lot of people.

in the whole, i believe Disney must implement a better guild system, such as more ranks.....
Now, the attacks by these wretched Navy spies by sending them mere members to the gallows is a disgrace. Once it happened to MY guild, the very one i created, because of a careless promotion. Just a guy who reduced my 112 to.... a few less than 20 officers.
A new system of guilds is needed, i mean don't you think the situation will be absolutely crazy , lets see :
I become an officer in a big guild by hard work, but with unknown evil designs. I figure out the best time is, when the GM is offline while there would either be a couple of officers, or none.
The GM is not there one day. There are 10 high lvl hardworking officers working on various things. Then, i slowly start removing each person one by one. One officer notices this, and notifies everyone else about this. They are helpless, keep telling me to stop, using all sorts of bad words. I could get banned for this, and so can they for bad language.....
And the guild crumples and i leave the guild removing everyone of them from my friends list.

which guild is this william?

Infinite Treasure was attacked last week as well, not the first time either. Only about 40 pirates lost this time. Last time IT lost over 250. The all officer policy is in effect there. It is ok but comes with its own problems.

I hate it when this happens. And I have heard of guilds out there in the Caribbean who are known for inflitrating other guilds just to become officers and delete the members. Its very childish if this is true and all I can say is they are very evil people who have no care for anyone else's feelings.
I hope that one day Disney will come up with a hierarchy/order of rank for guilds. There should be the Guildmaster who can promote/demote to officer status and delete any member they deem unworthy of being in that guild. There should be a First Mate or First Officer who can also promote/demote officers. There should be Officers who can only guild prospects. And finally regular members. I strongly believe that only the Guild Master should be able to delete anyone's membership in the guild. Doing this would prevent the guilds from being hacked. Having a First Mate would allow the guildmaster to pass control of the guild to someone incase of emergencies or other circumstances that would prevent the Guild Master from playing Pirates for a period of time.

I understand those who go the ALL OFFICER route. But, this leaves you with almost no order or structure.

And now, you newest members can randomly guild anyone they pass and their behavior can go unchecked.


What will fix this - in part - is a rank similar to what we do in ETC. Create a rank where a pirate can recruit, but NOT be able to remove members. This broadens your ability to bring in new pirates without compromising your membership.

A First Mate / Second in Command (Another pirate with the ability to promote/demote all but the GM) would also aid those guilds who suddenly find themselves with an absentee GM.

But, AS GM - you have to decide who is earning the right to be an officer as well as give your officer corp the appreciation they deserve. And, in case of any issues with an officer - that person should be demoted immediately for your guild's protection.

In our case, a demoted officer must have a majority of officers vote to reinstate them - same as with their initial promotion. A majority vote insures your officers that you are not disrepecting their position as well protects you from promoting someone based purely on personal prejudice.

I cross my fingers saying this, but to date - this has kept us troublefree.

EC

Aye! I would like to see a few more ranks and also a way to see who joined who and or deleted who.
Something like...
GM
Officer
Petty Officer
Member
Probationary member.

And then being able to see when an Officer joins someone else.
Maybe leave the actual deleting to the GM.

I agree with the idea and our guild implemented something similar...

Recruit - a member newer than two weeks (any officer can remove them for rule issues.
Member - can only be removed by a decision of several officers
Petty Officer - can recruit
Full Officer - recruit and remove powers

Having a 2nd in Command of First Mate, a Full officer who can Promote/demote is really what would help too. Also, if Disney could create an actual Petty Officer rank to grant recruiting powers... that would also be a big help.

The way I see it, while adding ranks would be a good idea, the only thing it may do is just slow down the crasher from achieving his goal. Guilds that have strict Officer rules have been crashed as well, so theres no say whether crashers will just give up because of new ranks. (Besides, if you don't fully trust somebody, why are you promoting them in the first place?)

However, the idea of having a Co-Guildmaster/2nd in Command/First Mate rank, who can watch over the guild when the GM is not present, is a good idea. It would help mantain order in the guild when the GM is not present. But, of course, there is still no stopping a really experienced, patient crasher from recieving this rank as well.

On to my idea:

Why not make it so that instead of an "Eject" Power for Officers, they have a "Mute" option. Basically, if a member is being unruly, the Officer can simply hit the Mute button on the member, blocking them from Guild Chat. Of course, if an Officer just happens to be doing this to abuse their powers, the Mute can be undone by a majority vote by the Officers, when if one Officer presses the "Unmute" button, a prompt sends out to the other Officers asking "Would you like to unmute ____?" That would just leave the deleting to the GM's.

Also, to build on to the First Mate idea, I think it would be a good idea to only allow 1, 2 at the most at a time. That way, Guildmaster's can sleep soundly at night knowing they have a safer guild. (But still, choosing a large number of pirates to be a First mate is a bad judgement on the GM's part.)

I have a huge list of ideas, but I'm not gonna get in to it all. So, I'll just end with a general idea: Why not just make Guilds customizable? Guildmasters will be able to choose the number of ranks, and what powers these ranks have. A general idea, but I'm sure a big payout.

I like all of these suggestions about ranks, but I don't think that is the way to go in order to help stop guild crashing. I would like them to add ranks, but they need something more to solve this issue.

Just an idea I thought of.. it is similar to some already suggested. When pressing the F key, it brings up friends, player friends, and guild. Maybe they could add a fourth option, which you only get if you are the GM of the guild. This option would list the names of members that have been "ejected" by an officer, and the GM of the guild can either deny, or approve the request.

I doubt that would ever happen.. but it is just an idea. And since i'm not sure I said that clearly.. i'll give an example. An officer logs on, and ejects every member. All of those members are removed from the guild list, and are instead placed in the GMs fourth tab. When the GM logs on, he/she has to approve the ejection for it to be accepted, if the ejection is denied the member is returned to the guild. And if a member happens to log on prior to approval, or denial, the member receives a notification, allowing them to know their "status".

There are numerous other solutions out there. The only problem I have with guild ranks, that won't stop ejecting. If an account is hacked, someone just decides they wanna boot people, it won't matter. If someone has the power to eject a member without the consent of the GM, then that isn't safe in this matter.

Sven I LOVE that suggestion and was thinking along those lines when trying to come up with a solution. Big D should seriously consider allowing the GM to confirm or deny boots. (Or at least KNOW who was booted and by whom).

Not really about who u guild & who u make officer right off the bat...lol

Coastal Pirates - GM & some guildmates play LotR now & the GM booted 1 of the officers out of the LotR guild, that long time officer came over where hes still an officer of the PotCO guild & did his thing...

Savage Hearts - one of the former long time officers had access to the GM's account...go figure...

Ik the 2 who did it and they were long time officers not some random officers.

EVERYONE is an officer in the Co. Empire. But there is a test to join.

Thats what happened to our guild, our GM has been gone for almost 5 months and all of our Generals ( pretty much guys who are second in command ) keep the guild in tact.

However, before he had to leave, we got hacked to! We lost over 70 members. :psmiley27:

Big caution to everyone out there, DONT GIVE OUT PROMOTIONS! Have a system that lets members slowly become an officer. Good luck to all you guilds out there, and BEWARE!

Sven that is a GREAT suggestion! Disney needs to do something about all of these problems.

both of my pirates are Officers in Coastal Pirates.. (Jade MacMorrigan aka JMac.. and Jade)

our incident was pretty isolated too...

one of our Officers... that had been with us for several months i might add... was playing in another guild on another game with some of our members and our GM. long story short (from what i know) said Officer was running his mouth about his wife, which led to the guild to understand that there was some abuse issues... when he was cornered about it by our GM he retaliated by going on Pirates and proceeding to delete all of the members. 200+ because of someone who has issues. some of us had an idea he was shady... that was the main reason i wouldn't try out the other game while waiting for POTC to update.. cuz he was such a creep toward women.. but what can you do? we gave him a benefit of a doubt.. thought he was just kidding.. then they got him on voicechat and figured out otherwise. it's a shame too... we lost some excellent people! and we're STILL trying to get our members back...

I've been away from the game for almost a year and recently returned, I see that this is still an ongoing problem. I was second in command of a fairly active guild with about 80 members. Our GM was called to work a lot of overtime on his job plus attending night classes at college. As a result he was absent for several months.

I agree that a guilds second in command needs more than just officer powers, there are times when action must be taken swiftly in order to prevent serious problems within the guild. In the example above our GM never returned to the game, he had made a couple of rather poor choices in promoting officers and as a result these people began recruiting members who were not good for the well being of the guild and who later led to the destruction of the guild.

Giving the second in command the ability to demote or remove problem members would have prevented this and possibly saved the guild.

I agree that a time limit to promotion or a probationary period for all new members does help reduce these issues. But this isn't a fix all solution. Before recruiting all officers need to excercise good judgement when choosing to recruit. Spending time getting to know prospective members, seeing how they play and behave in game, and how well they interact with other players.

If you are a lost Baratarian, the word is that you may be able to find someone on the second B server on Tortuga to re-guild you.

No details are available at the moment.. and I am no longer in the Baratarian guild but I still have friends there and I have spoken to the GM Jean LaFitte and I am getting this information straight from him.

If you recently found yourself out of the guild, please know that they are looking for you.

Sadly, this is still going on. Just today I had someone from Epic Disaster's ask if I wanted to join. He told me the guild had been attacked and almost destroyed. It's a sad commentary on the lack of checks inside the guild system.

I believe that Co-GM should be more than just a player designation, it should be a game title. Where as like POTB, if a GM goes AWOL, the second is offered the job, then any officer, then any member of said guild. I would take that a step further and say that the removal of any player from a guild should have to be approved by not just an officer, but the GM or Co-GM.

Whether or not D listens, that remains to be seen.

This will inevitably always go on.

Guilds need to remember that you need to respect each and everyone in the guild and treat everyone equally. I was kicked out of a very big guild for repeatedly shooting the cannon at forts during a boss battle when an officer said, "Stop, lets hold on a second" and failed to realize the forts were still firing at us.

Second, guild members need to be nice to EVERYONE they meet. Angering some random person can lead to big changes to the guild when said person manages to join the guild and become an officer.

Third, there are always people that want to bring the big guilds down. No matter how good a guild is at making sure all officers are good, that won't change the fact that there are people out there wasting their time acting good so they can become an officer in a big guild just so they can kick people out. It may seem unlikely, but there are people that bored out there.

Just understand that if you're going to give someone a spot as an officer, do they really seem like the type of person that can have all these members to just kick out? Not really, and picking officers should be an extremely hard thing to do. Even if it's someone on POF, you never know what they might be thinking about doing to your guild. Just be careful is all, and if you are worried a lot, just don't have there be officers.

epic disaster
 

I am the won who is suffering the attack on my guild.my guild epic disasters 77 members is number of ppl deleted its a horrible site to see :(

A little update.

The ETC has fortunately never been the victim of a sabotage, but amazingly we almost were. A young member who joined us, earned her way up to full officer and was very well liked by many of our membership suddenly left us.

Once we found her, members inquired why she departed - and she made a horrible admission. She had been a spy the entire time for another guild. Part of her infiltration was to earn promotion and then sabotage us by purging members.

I'm still not 100% sure I even believe her story.

When she was pressed for an answer, the girl said that she liked us too much to complete her task. No member had been deleted. Instead, she left and never went back to her original guild.

Lessons learned?

1) I sadly learned that anyone could be a potential hazard to your guild.

2) Having a guild family that cares and respects each other could actually warm the heart of a spy and potential saboteur - turning an enemy sympathetic.

3) That there are groups out there who systematically are attacking larger group, either for sport or as a way of promoting themselves. I'd like to think they lost this round.

In the end, we will be more cautious perhaps but our system of promotion is still intact and my faith in the ETC's membership is still strong.

Well said EC! Creating a minimum service time for new members before they are eligible for officership may help. It will give them time to get to know the members and hopefully develop bonds and close friendships that may help avoid this situation. Someone who pretends to be your friend for an extended period of time only to turn on you and delete your guild is a cold hearted person indeed.

There is another way to be safe from guild take outs. Either make everyone officers, or everyone members. If people do not have the power to take people out, then it will not be a problem. I have also learned that some people (who will not be meantioned) lie to be your friend and then stab you in the back, and take down your guild.

My Lessons: Do not trust anyone no matter how nice or cool they may seem, this is a video game remember.
Not everyone is who they claim to be.
Befriend people wisely, do not just keep friends because they have something that you do not, or cannot have. Examples: Test Server Access and Unlimited Access.

hi :(
 

this has just happened to me peeps 77 members were deleted and i was down to 41 im at nearly 60 this was a horrible thing to happen cause i was establishing order and the next day i figured out my system i was attack and there was no longer order

It would also help if it said this person removed this person. Then it is very obvious. I know in my guild Spartans Savvy, everyone is an officer so no one gets removed.

I remembered a day on test server when Caribbean Warrior got destroyed, seems even trusted officers turn their backs on guildmasters.

Recently, Blue's Brigade had some members booted, and Guildmaster David Bluebellows thought of promoting every Member to Officer to protect everyone from being booted. I think we may have spies among us from other guilds trying to rule everyone. Be cautious mateys, they could be from the guilds were rivals to.

If I may make a suggestion to any and all guilds:

The a part of the spectrum of why guilds are put under attack, is due to conflicts with other guilds. Naturally, enemies want to take down their enemies, in false hope of "winning" the conflict.

Theres never a winner in a conflict, point and simple.

Guildmasters are betraying their own guilds if they drag them in to wars. They are creating a threat for their guild to be sought after to be destroyed. Inevitably, guilds that add wood to the fire of their conflicts, are only breeding their downfall.

Instead of forging guilds that are meant to fight other guilds, why can't we all just sit down and settle it peacefully? Theres never a need for fueds. Whenever I get angry at somebody for doing something/acting stupid, I take 5 seconds out of my life to take a deep breath and relax, which, in the end, saves countless hours of my life that would have revolved around arguments.

I'm certainly not saying that every crashing was the guild's fault, oh no no no. But what I am saying, is that no matter the cause, you should always stay at peace with yourself, and the rest of the world.

"Never has there been a good war or a bad peace."
—Benjamin Franklin

Wise words Del, wise words.

If I may make a suggestion to LOWER the possbility of this happening:

It's usually inevitiable you'll have guilds hate your guild if you've been around long enough. Why? Sometimes they think they deserve special treatment in their guild. Others are jealous of many hearing your guild so they just want to destroy it. No matter what you'll find a person who hates your guild for a silly reason.

Now to avoid the guild being destroyed set up organization. You do not just officer everybody you get. That builds no trust within your guild. You need to setup trust with your guild and make sure your officers can be trusted, make sure they watch the guild and look for anything suspicious rude behavior and etc.

When and why and how you officer your people is up to you. But remember to build trust up with your officers and guildmates. You can save alot of guild destructions this way.

Another way I believe is helpful is always is to establish all officers to look and watch guildmates. And see if they are possible officer choices. They can be very helpful later.

All in all, it's important to build trust, have organization and have a relationship with guild members and officers. The same should go with all members and officers as well.

The reason why some are destroyed is because of guild conflicts. Like Del said you're pretty much breeding your own destruction. Conflicts are not needed.

Create peace with and within your guild and happiness shall come. Wars cause anger and destruction. Nothing is gained but lost souls in there.

Create happiness within, wars not needed and a good relationship and these things can be avoided.

Remember bad seeds get in all the time, just throw 'em out as fast as you can!

This is called victim-focus. This is a method of telling the person who got mugged it was his fault for being in a bad neighborhood.

The real issue is this: regardless of how you try to stay nice, or deal diplomatically with other people and guilds, you never know when a single person or an entire guild is going to go nutso and take things waaaaaay out of the realm of playing a game and turn on other people. It's happened to BBK before, and it happened/is happening again. I'm sure it will happen again in the future. Not because of anything BBK does or stands for, but simply because others enjoy causing grief.

Sometimes, players and guilds who grief other players and guilds grow out of it. Sometimes not. But the fact that it happens merely means each guildmember and guildmaster had better be watching out--there are a LOT of very troubled people out there who truly enjoy drama and causing others distress.

Well i've never had any problems with other guilds i don't partake in these guild wars... But i have lost me some members a long time ago my head officer decided she wanted a guild of her own and left with about 100 members from my guild this could be a reason i only found this out from ppl that left and came back... This was way back long ago my new head officer wouldn't do such a thing.


I haven't been apart of these guild wars but i was attacked by a guild. I did not provoke them and neither did anyone from my guild. The reason for the attack was due that my members were seen hanging out with another guild i do some what think these "guild deleters" are after the bigger guilds on the game in order for personal gain.


You see with an idea to approve or deny would only cause a GM's work to double on top of settling member to member confrontations you have to find the stories behind the reason to delete someone i have agreed with all of my officers to never demote or delete anyone with a proper thought through it all i make sure it is fine with my top officers before a deletion or Demoting occurs unless Co Gm or Head officer have need to delete a disrespecting member. I would not like to have to approve or Deny i'd like to play pirates too not just deal with guilds all the time. don't take me wrong i enjoy working on my guild but that i think is way to much.



( you don't have to worry too much the guy i caught trying to delete my guild now works for me helping me check my officers before they become officers like their guild pasts -its his way of working off his debt to make it to member status he gave up after i caught him- hehe )

I must agree with Bartholomew here. No matter what you say, or what you do it is going to happen.

That one person is going to go crazy and start a whole scene which shouldn't be happening. It's a game for them so they sometimes don't take it seriously. Just learn to adapt to the situation and handle it.

Skully's XBones Attacked Yesterday
 

Yes, my friends, my guild was destroyed yesterday by a trusted officer. He deleted every member that was not an officer.

The bad thing about it is that we are in no guild wars. We help everyone and we have an officer selection process in place. The existing officers nominate candidates for officers from members that have proven themselves helpful and responsible to the guild and all other pirates. The the nomiatee is voted on by the officers. We only elect new officers for every 10 new members.

It is hearbreaking to think of all the work everyone did to build this guild to almost 200 strong.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that all my officers are now working their behinds off to find our lost family.

I wish there was some way this person could be punished for this. I have along with some of my officers submitted a complaint to Disney member services. But I don't think anything will really be done.


Tis a Sad Day

Skully
GM of Skully's Xbones

We been attacked for the past week in a guild I was in. We were noticing a big drop on members so us and the GM had to think quick so we made everyone officers so they all have equal power what seemed to work but he was still striking the new ones that havent been seen to be promoted to officer. Its a good thing disney is putting a member leaving alert. We did find the saboutuer thankfully. But theres always werid things going on all over the game.

One of my suggestions to be able to rcover after a rogue officer deleting your members is to ensure that every new member is friended by an officer. That way, if deleting occurs, each officer can then contact the members they are responsible for and bring them right back in.

Defense from Purgings
 

The new notice in test of who is removing whom mixed with the 5 removal a day limit will help.

I suggested once and will say again. Get a guild web site set up.

You can post news and warnings AND you can help regroup by having a non-Disney way to reach each other.

I agree with Eliza. Guild Sites are EXTREMELY helpful when it comes to getting stuff out to fellow members. I also suggest maybe specifying a certain server/place that all the members can meet up, in the possibility of a crashing.

And just a build on of what I said last time. Nowhere did I say all crashings deal with conflicts, nor did I say that it was ever the victim's fault. I simply said that it isn't smart to start problems with other guilds. As I stated in my own words, its "a part of the spectrum."

Case and point, crashings happen for many reasons. Sometimes, two guilds are fighting with each other send out sleep cells of sorts. Other times, troublesome pirates pick a random guild, and crash it for fun. That's why a strong, stable system in your guild is so important to ensure survival.

This sounds terrible, although it's never happened to the guild I'm in, it makes me sad to think people go out of their way to bully others.

To let everyone know that have yall made any rivals at all lately? Lately we been having some stowaways who been just trying to sabotage stuff.

Well, the other day I was an Andaba doing some recruiting for Shadow Sorcerors. (NOT Abassa... too many guild hoppers....) Anway, I saw somebody without a guild, so naturally, I asked him to join. He joined, and he is still in the guild. He is a good person. He made a joke that we didnt like, but we told him it was bad, and he said he was sorry, and it shouldnt happen again.

Anyway, he told me that his former guild, an EITC guild mind you, now is sending threats to our guild and wants "war". It has been a bit stressful lately for me and my higher ranking officers, trying to sort this mess out. We have been trying to get contact with the guild and sort things out. As I implied, we did nothing to provoke them, they are just a guild wanting war for the sake of war. Because of this I am not going to promote ANY new officers until the new update comes out, with its 5 ejections a day rule for officers.

I do agree that it is very sad when a guild gets attacked, and i will gladly try to find ways to help anyone who needs help finding lost members. Several weeks back I went to Darkhart and found a member of The Guardians there. I asked him why I hadn't seen many Guardians around recently. When he said they got attacked, I felt horrible knowing that, as I was a former Guardian.

As many of you said, you need to be careful who you make officers, but it is inevitable that you will make enemies. Its unfortunate that there are players who somehow enjoy making others upset. Best thing to do is just be careful, and set up a good officer system like EC does with Elite Thievery Co.

To all of you whose guilds were attacked, I wish you the best of luck in getting your members back.