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Captain Lansing 01-09-2010 02:43 PM

What is your opinion on Potco?
 
Hello viewers. THis is my first thread on this site but, I played Runescape for 2 plus years so I know how to make a thread! I was a forum legend on that site rofl!:piratetongueor4:


Well, lets get to the main point:

I have a good real life friend who showed me this site and started my unlimited access with a 15 day guest pass. Ever since, I bought myself game cards(Christmas and Birthday!) to play the game. I joined this site recently at the referal of my friend.

I have never heard many comments about this game. So I would like to hear what you think. Post about what your rating is: A, B, I would like this bla bla.

That will give me a general Idea what the players want and think.



Enjoy!:piratewheelgo2:

Aaron McEagle 01-09-2010 04:04 PM

B-

Still waiting....

swordshot 01-09-2010 05:19 PM

C- lies, not getting better, ect

Midhav 01-09-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Lansing (Post 192893)
Will, from what I know about you, I thought you would give this game an A Plus rofl!

yea i would've expected that as well....
mine is B-

Sven Osymthe 01-09-2010 05:37 PM

I would give it a B... although some things they promised did not come out, give them a break, if something goes wrong, its not being released immediately.

Captain Del 01-09-2010 05:50 PM

I'm giving them an A-, overall. Sure, they may not have given us some of the content we would have hoped for, but you can't complain, and complain only. Disney has provided us with a bunch of new stuff these past few months, including live GM events, Invasions, Notoriety and Weapon increases (which have opened a golden door of opportunity for them to release new content,) etc. etc. And even when I don't have anything to do besides level, they've provided for us a great social enviromemt, where I can chat and have fun with my friends, guild, and pirates all over the Caribbean. So, they've kept me happy and entertianed. What else do I need?

Angel Seafish 01-09-2010 06:05 PM

First it went to an A+ I thought, now I think its down to a D+. I loved it at first, then when you finish the chapter, you have really nothing to do, but a couple side quests, sailing, fighting (aka weapon grinding), and blackjack/poker. I'm sure it will go back to an A+ once we see new content.

nitnek 01-09-2010 06:13 PM

I'm giving a C.
I'm an unlimited member for 2 year, and nothing new, no new content, no unlimited real privilege. If they don't do anything better, I'll get back to basic.

Jack I 01-09-2010 06:26 PM

I'd personally give the game an A-. Being a member since day 1, I've seen all that this game had and currently has to offer, and I am pleased that they do keep the game updated with new events to a point. They are trying to bring us content and do keep things rolling, and you can't complain about the price compared to some other online games. It is a thankless job to work on an online game for sure though, that I have no doubt of. Your target group will never entirely be pleased, always demanding new content and then complaining solely about the downs of it when it is finally released. This is the way it is for all online games and nothing can be done to stop it.

That being said, do I agree that Disney has let us down in areas? Absolutely. Disney has hinted at a 2nd Story Chapter, the Kraken, Customizable Ships, and many other things since the game was first created, and aside from some concept art and untextured 3D models of the Kraken, we've yet to see most of these items come to fruition.

My personal belief is that Disney should take the opportunity with this game to release Expansion Kits, which provide new areas, questlines, etc, on a 9-12 month basis, with small updates being added inbetween. What would be included in these expansions? Well, to take from previous updates, large things like the ability to customize our pirate, invasions, remodeled islands/caves, privateering, etc. would be the kind of updates you would expect to see in an expansion, while holiday events, small numbers of new enemies, etc would fill in the gaps. It would be nigh impossible to do this though, as Disney has it's resources spread out over numerous games, and these resources are few and sparse.

Capt Seafury 01-09-2010 06:36 PM

B+ for me. I don't care about how soon chapter two comes (it's getting closer!), and I have a great time every time I play.

Jolly Roger 01-09-2010 06:50 PM

A+ but that may only be because im a level 31.But the kraken and a new story chapter would be nice.

Dan_OB 01-09-2010 07:31 PM

For the basic game it's self: A-/B+ - very easy intuitive interface . Straightforward game play without all the stuff that bogs down other games so you can just jump in and play without having to do a lot of studying. Easy enough for young folks to play yet engaging enough for adults, good for family play. Biggest negative to me is that there is too much leveling for leveling sake. Should be built more into the story line and quests.

B for debugging and maintenance. Yes they have released a lot of buggy updates but they usually fix them fairly fast.

F - for failure to come out with a new chapter after more then 2 years. It is perfectly reasonable to expect a new chapter a year or so after the release of the first one. Failure to do so after more then 2 years is astonishing to say the least. And please don't tell about all the neat stuff like role playing events, invasions, updated islands and caves; these are side shows not the main event.

ex8404 01-09-2010 07:34 PM

D+ (ooo. Deja Vu) But seriously folks...

Nothing new. Some poor communication, misdirection and some outright lies. The whole Call of the Kraken thing sorta didn't help either... My guild is dead, I am bored as ever walking up to the same 20 or so enemies and clicking my mouse at them. When it gets to F, I'm taking my business elsewhere. Most likely to Star Trek Online...

Captain Del 01-09-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ex8404 (Post 192931)
D+ (ooo. Deja Vu) But seriously folks...

Nothing new. Some poor communication, misdirection and some outright lies. The whole Call of the Kraken thing sorta didn't help either... My guild is dead, I am bored as ever walking up to the same 20 or so enemies and clicking my mouse at them. When it gets to F, I'm taking my business elsewhere. Most likely to Star Trek Online...

Well, theres nothing that says you don't have the power to change that! There are a lot of great guilds here on POF, go find some! Test em' out, see if you like em'! Theres a lot of great pirates on here, and I'm sure if dig just a bit, you'll soon make new friends, and thats where the game gets fun!

And, as for the "lies" about all the content they hinted at us:

1. POTCO is its own branch of a company, and companies need money if they want to continue up and running. If they DON'T give us hints about whats to come, sometimes even false ones, they lose members, and then, they lose money. And if they lose money, Disney would eventually have to shut down POTCO. Thats why the game matters on what the MEMBERS do, not the teams themselves. The more money they have = the more funding they have = the more developers they have. Thats why games like WoW have 300, even 400 at a time working on the game, probably more, while games like POTCO only have a team of 40 (at most!)

2. As said before, they don't have a lot of man power. They don't have a lot of people to work on such big projects. And besides, if I were them, I'd be discouraged by now. As Jack said, whenever they don't release content, they get pressured. When they get... ugh, not typing this over xP Just read my "Content Cycle" blog if you want my full philosophy.

My grade still remains at A-. I have great friends, a great guild, and POTCO really is a great game. It keeps me entertained, and it keeps me happy.

swashbuckler II 01-09-2010 08:46 PM

Well, The more I think about it, They Have promised us a lot, they went out of the way and made The new islands, Invasions, and a whole lot more.
Id give it a B+/A-.

Just think of this, If you think Disney failed, I want to see you do better.

The Skirata Clan 01-09-2010 08:50 PM

From a new player view, I'd say the game is A.... But after playing for awhile the game starts to drop grades.

Captain Whale 01-09-2010 09:06 PM

Ahoy and welcome to the game Captain Lansing.

Opinions on the game vary a great deal here as you can see. I love the game as it is but I also like to see all the new things they are doing with it. Get yourself into a guild that fits your style of play and go have some fun. It all depends on what you expect or rather what is fun for you. This game has more of a social level to it than most and a good guild really ups the fun factor.

POTCO does not have a lot of the things other MMO's have. Personally it's one of the reasons I like it. I don't have to spend endless hours questing for gold and items to feed the auctions, make items and the push the economy. The grind here is much lower than most MMOs and you can level quickly if you want to. Skills and quests are very straight forward and the game interface is easy to learn and use. PVP and SVS are available for those who want to do so. It's nice to go questing without having to watch yer back all time for PVP attacks. GM participation in POTCO is awesome and if you are so inclined the role playing events can be really fun.

Glad to hear you are having a good time and I hope that continues.

Captain Whale

Tom Sharkwash 01-09-2010 09:13 PM

C just because I'm tired of doing the same thing over and over again.

Angel Seafish 01-09-2010 09:15 PM

Del,
I understand that they have to give fase reports, but even if they do, people will leave at one point if it just takes too long. But they are [B]NOT[B] giving false reports, because it will come out at one point. However, people will just let their accounts go basic because they are just waiting for something new.

At the start its an A+ then it goes all the way down to a D- Why? No new MAJOR content.

Sven Osymthe 01-09-2010 09:23 PM

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But they are NOT giving false report
Actually, the way Del put it, they are. False reports doesn't limit it to what the content is, but it can also be the date that the content is released. And in a way it is not entirely false, as has said before, something obviously came up that delayed the release.

I'm still sticking with my previous grade, possibly higher (if you want to include friends in that). Personally, unless someone has a fully mastered level 50 (or at least the old fully mastered, level 40), then there is really no reason to complain. The raise in notoriety levels was major content, maybe not the exact major we want, but that will come in due time. Unless someone has finished that part, they still have something to do, so new story chapters shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Johnny Storm 01-09-2010 11:03 PM

I give the game a C- :p

ex8404 01-10-2010 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Del (Post 192948)
Well, theres nothing that says you don't have the power to change that! There are a lot of great guilds here on POF, go find some! Test em' out, see if you like em'! Theres a lot of great pirates on here, and I'm sure if dig just a bit, you'll soon make new friends, and thats where the game gets fun!

I know all of this. I just don't have the time to do it all over again. If it happens it happens but things have changed lately and every guild I try is too hung up on rules and demands and (my least favorite) having a gazillion members. They are WAY less about just having fun. Oh. And being all grown-ups.

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And, as for the "lies" about all the content they hinted at us:

1. POTCO is its own branch of a company, and companies need money if they want to continue up and running. If they DON'T give us hints about whats to come, sometimes even false ones, they lose members, and then, they lose money. And if they lose money, Disney would eventually have to shut down POTCO. Thats why the game matters on what the MEMBERS do, not the teams themselves. The more money they have = the more funding they have = the more developers they have. Thats why games like WoW have 300, even 400 at a time working on the game, probably more, while games like POTCO only have a team of 40 (at most!)
How in the world does ANY of this justify lying to PAYING customers? Is that where society has led us? Can't get customers to stick around because your product is less than adequate? Then just LIE! Maybe they should offer me a Free Sham-Wow. It would be more useful than that antique mini game they told me I could have but not use...

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2. As said before, they don't have a lot of man power. They don't have a lot of people to work on such big projects. And besides, if I were them, I'd be discouraged by now. As Jack said, whenever they don't release content, they get pressured. When they get... ugh, not typing this over xP Just read my "Content Cycle" blog if you want my full philosophy.
OK. Then I will end my investment in this part of the conversation at this point too.

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Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe (Post 192979)
Personally, unless someone has a fully mastered level 50 (or at least the old fully mastered, level 40), then there is really no reason to complain. The raise in notoriety levels was major content, maybe not the exact major we want, but that will come in due time.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Content is what goes into my journal. Period. Mindless button mashing is NOT content. Simply hitting some arbitrary number is not a compelling enough reason to keep playing. This game is story driven because it is based on a pretty fun story. Take the story away and it is not unique anymore...Just my opinion

Jeanne Stormcutter 01-10-2010 12:33 AM

A from me, and Captain Rott quest, invasions etc. isn't new content? It has always been there?
Didn't think so.

Sven Osymthe 01-10-2010 12:58 AM

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I've said it before and I will say it again. Content is what goes into my journal. Period. Mindless button mashing is NOT content. Simply hitting some arbitrary number is not a compelling enough reason to keep playing. This game is story driven because it is based on a pretty fun story. Take the story away and it is not unique anymore...Just my opinion
That is just a personal opinion, but many people do feel that way. Content is actually anything new added to the game, good or bad. Personally, to me, there is not much of a difference between leveling, and questing. Going by "leveling is just mindless button mashing", is questing not just mindlessly following what the game tells us to do?

Don't get me wrong, I would like a new story as much as the next person, but the discussion about new content is wrong. We have been given new content, just not in the form that we ourselves want.

Angel Seafish 01-10-2010 02:11 AM

Where is the "beef" in this game? In a way the level raise was major, but not what we are looking for. But hey, they have to do that before a new chapter for the mastered pirates, so they can master again. So were the caves (which by the way look more like tunnels now). But yes I do agree that they have been half false reports.

ex8404 01-10-2010 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe (Post 193034)
That is just a personal opinion, but many people do feel that way. Content is actually anything new added to the game, good or bad.

Another personal opinion. What do you, Dear Reader, think? Is putting a tunnel, albeit a lovely tunnel, where a cave used to be content? Are the invasions content? What if you now avoid them? Feel free to discus it with us. :bookishfj7:

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Personally, to me, there is not much of a difference between leveling, and questing. Going by "leveling is just mindless button mashing", is questing not just mindlessly following what the game tells us to do?
In a way this is true but it also assumes that leveling is the only point of the game. To me, finishing the chapter is the point of the game. Following a quest, no matter how linear it may be, is purposeful button-mashing. A means to an end where the end is something other than a number which merely indicates how many times you mashed a button. Notoriety = Mouse mashing. It has to be.

My main pirates on Open are still at level 40. I watched folks make a mad rush to re-master their pirates just to be the first. Some even cheated to do it. But what are they going to do if our good friends at Disney decide to drop a big, fat, brand-spanking-new story on us tomorrow? Why do the new chapter if all of your weapons and pirates are mastered? Do anything you want but just don't complain I guess...

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Don't get me wrong, I would like a new story as much as the next person, but the discussion about new content is wrong. We have been given new content, just not in the form that we ourselves want.
Here we truly part ways. I look at it this way. Content is scripted, playable and on-going. Think of your favorite TV show. This year they try this...

The show comes on. Best episode ever. You LOVE it. Fast forward a week and tune in. It is the very same show as last week with one exception. The room your favorite character sleeps in has been painted a different color. Fast forward another week. Again, the same script, the same show except this time the kitchen has a new fridge and some wallpaper. Is this content? By your definition it is.

Remember, content is actually anything new added to the game (or TV show), good or bad.

We got the invasions. They were fun for a while. I count those as content. But after nearly two years, two once and future Mastered Pirates, a lost guild and monthly cash payments, I want more. You see, I pay for this. No one is giving it to me. Once upon a time it was an A+ experience. An E-Ticket for you Disney Lore Lovers. Then I finished the game. Finished it. But it was still a solid B. Still had my mates though. But they got bored and left and it was, quite frankly, Disney's fault. Dropped to a C-.

Then the silliness of "Here if comes, no it doesn't" that marked much of this year. And the straw that broke the pirate's back for me? Call Of The Kraken. Can you hear it? Its calling from 2006. I really think some guys are sitting back and coming up with new ways to mess with people. I guess I am just tired of having someone whiz on my leg and tell me its raining.

Now. If a new story comes out tonight? A+ Bay-Beeeee!. It is how much I like the game.

MacIronhawk 01-10-2010 06:59 AM

My personal opinion of POTCO is not one I think the devs want to hear... or read.

I've played toontown for seven years, and in those seven years content doesn't drop out of the sky like rain. It's not one update right after another, but it's enough to keep me in the game and entertained. They tried hard putting out a major update at least every year, and they did.

POTCO, on the other hand, has not shown this much work. The only really major updates have been extra weapons and SvS. New caves and islands DON'T count and shouldn't count because they should have been here from the start if they were going to change them anyways. Them changing the islands is probably because they wanted to release before POTBS.

POTBS is a rip off of POTCO, IMO. The combat stinks, the sailing stinks, and the graphics are only ok. POTCO delivers much more as far as graphics, sailing, combat, etc... However, POTBS delivers more islands, area, quests, etc...

POTCO could have been twice as good as it is now, but Disney forced the developers to rush to release before them, and that's obvious. I have nothing against the developers, but I have everything against Disney for pushing these guys past their limit. They can't deliver what the players what because the staff is small. Most games like WOW has staff member numbers over 100 just for developing. POTCO has around 18 developers, and that's it. They cover animation, modeling, scription, fixing bugs, putting every aspect of the game, etc...

This game had potential, and still has potential, but it's up to the developers to release a second story quest, new weapons, and more area(I.E. islands) before the end of this year. This game will not survive if the second story quest isn't released before or during the summer. That's my obvservation, but they're taking way longer than toontown.

Yes, I'm comparing games that are much different in age, simply because it didn't take toontown two and a half years to come out with something new.

I feel sorry for this game, because it can be great, but Disney is too lazy to spend a great amount of money on a game that could make them millions over time.

P.S. Not sure if I was trolling or not, but if I did I'm very sorry.

The Skirata Clan 01-10-2010 07:20 AM

Well said Mac!

This Year is Do or Die for POTCO!

Sven Osymthe 01-10-2010 07:28 AM

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What do you, Dear Reader, think? Is putting a tunnel, albeit a lovely tunnel, where a cave used to be content? Are the invasions content? What if you now avoid them? Feel free to discus it with us.
Yes, that is new content. The tunnels aren't really new content by your definition, but they are pretty much eye candy for the players (much better graphics than the old ones), the invasions is another story. The invasions ARE the base of the next chapter, that in turn means that the invasions are MAJOR content. Granted, some players tend to avoid them over time, but the fact is, they still got the point Disney was trying to make across.

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But what are they going to do if our good friends at Disney decide to drop a big, fat, brand-spanking-new story on us tomorrow? Why do the new chapter if all of your weapons and pirates are mastered? Do anything you want but just don't complain I guess...
I can't speak for everyone else that has mastered everything, but I know that personally, it won't effect me one bit. Those who mastered won't benefit, other than to know what else is happening in the story, but who cares? Either way, you are gonna end up leveling (the quests provide rep, and given that this is the second chapter, the tasks may be much more difficult to overcome unless you level), those that mastered just have it easier (given that they have already done so).

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In a way this is true but it also assumes that leveling is the only point of the game. To me, finishing the chapter is the point of the game.
In my opinion, the point of the game is not to finish the chapter, it is also not to level. The point of the game is to have a combination of both. You can't do one without the other in the end. For example, the quests offer rep for completing an assignment, that in turn levels you up. But for another example, leveling up offers you a chance to finish a quest easier. If an assignment is to kill 5 thralls, who would have the advantage going alone, someone who "mindlessly button mashed" there way to a higher level, or someone who has not done any leveling other than questing? Many people on the site have commented on people who just level through questing, and in turn, their weapon levels are unbalanced, making some tasks impossible to complete alone. Disney raising the caps was, in my opinion, done to help eliminate this problem for those on the second quest.

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Here we truly part ways. I look at it this way. Content is scripted, playable and on-going. Think of your favorite TV show. This year they try this...

The show comes on. Best episode ever. You LOVE it. Fast forward a week and tune in. It is the very same show as last week with one exception. The room your favorite character sleeps in has been painted a different color. Fast forward another week. Again, the same script, the same show except this time the kitchen has a new fridge and some wallpaper. Is this content? By your definition it is.

Remember, content is actually anything new added to the game (or TV show), good or bad.
Yes, that would fit into the short definition that I posted, but this also takes away plenty of the other comments in this thread. By your own definition, content is scripted, playable and on-going. Everything that Disney has added, for the most part, falls into that very definition.

Redesigned islands - gave us the impression the EITC were destroying the Caribbean. That in turn led us to the GM events. That went to new level caps and invasions. And THAT will lead to the next chapter. As you can see, the content that Disney has released is, scripted - it follows a plot, playable - we the players are involved in that plot, and on-going - each event triggers the next.


Also, Mac brings up some good points. The amount of people working on this game is not that large, meaning it is going to take more time to do stuff. On top of that, they also released the game too early, just to beat out POTBS. Meaning, they have to try to make the game the way they originally intended it to be (such as the redesigning of the islands). Given all of that, the developers have done a great job, if they had not been rushed to release the game, or had more money (thus leading to more workers), the next chapter would be here by now.

The game does have potential, and I feel it will become that much better in the coming months. They have built up a greater story with all the content they have released (even managing to make mistakes from releasing the game too early - island design - fall into that story).

ex8404 01-10-2010 03:05 PM

Sven...I come here for intelligent conversation. Thank-you for being a part of that.

Sort of off topic though...Is the whole Pirates of the Burning Seas thing a fact? Or is it conjecture? I never even heard of POTBS before I started coming to POF. On the other hand, for a while there, I couldn't turn on the TV without getting blasted by one POTCO commercial after another...The two just seem to be for different audiences to me.

No arguments here. I sort of study stuff like this and I am just curious...

Midhav 01-10-2010 03:42 PM

Now my OPINION, not rating : Yes, Pirates Online did a couple of flip-flops with the Kraken and all not being released for the year 2009, but they sure kept most of us entertained with the Invasions, GM events and other stuff like that. They also completely improved the beginners' experience with the various tutorial changes and also Stowaway and Revive systems. They increased the lvl cap and added some amazing redesigns to the game ( IMHO, though the new Catacombs is best for me, it would rock if they add an area in it like the old Catacombs ).
Now I gave the game a B- rating because of the website not being so interesting and not being updated frequently, my boredom due to my guild ( my fault i accept that ), and not accomplishing what most of us wanted by now, mine being the new loot and inventory system.
But what has kept my hopes up is that i know it IS going to come.
The website needs more improvements and ways to "Connect" with players while offline ( not including POF ).
But finally, with so MANY things that are said to come ( read Developer journals, LA conference, phase files, etc ), and so many things we want, the Updates might take a heck lot of time to come, if we want them fast.
Basically i want everyone to wait for them to make the new current news to come out and mainly the Developer Diary 16 which will tell us what is to come. Thats why i said the news is hardly updated. They've been on the Call of the Kraken news for 4-5 days!!!!

Sven Osymthe 01-10-2010 05:21 PM

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Sort of off topic though...Is the whole Pirates of the Burning Seas thing a fact? Or is it conjecture? I never even heard of POTBS before I started coming to POF. On the other hand, for a while there, I couldn't turn on the TV without getting blasted by one POTCO commercial after another...The two just seem to be for different audiences to me.
I'm not sure if that is 100% fact, or opinion, since its been a while since that topic was brought up. Even so, it kind of makes sense. If they hadn't released the game earlier, then those playing POTBS more than likely would not jump ship to POTCO. Rushing it would allow for the game to try and gather a decent sized crowd, and work with that for a while, bringing in more people eventually. That may not be the case, but you never know.

Plus, another reason for that could be the type of audience the two games target. They both target fans of pirate games obviously, but one of the game just goes into further detail, while the other goes into a Disney point of view. But of the two, Disney used/uses more means of advertising than POTBS (I don't think I have seen one advertisement for them).

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No arguments here.
lol, didn't mean it to come out like one, that is just the way I type :piratetongueor4:


But back on topic. After thinking about it more, I think I would give the game itself an A, but the influence Disney has on the game, a B.

ex8404 01-10-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Dreadrage (Post 193178)
Sven and ex804 are probably the most valid debaters here ( while I'm against the fact that ex804 can't find a good guild again ).

Thank-you.

But I never said that I couldn't find a guild. I meant to imply that I didn't WANT to find a good guild again. A weird distinction, I think, but I was part of a guild that was formed just days before I joined. I was the first pirate to be offered an officer's position. I was completely and utterly committed to the guild and the people. To me, that is the guild experience and it is one that I have been unable to recreate. Several of us are still in contact in the real world but most have left and moved on. And it is an investment that I am not certain I care to make again.

I am in a pretty good test guild. But large, well-established guilds are a bit cliquish. I am not a clique sort of guy. More of an all for one and one for all type.

So, Roger, you are right. There are some great guilds out there but guilds are a personal choice. They are not one-size-fits-all. And I admit. I am WAY more picky than I should be.

MacIronhawk 01-10-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe (Post 193140)
Yes, that is new content. The tunnels aren't really new content by your definition, but they are pretty much eye candy for the players (much better graphics than the old ones), the invasions is another story. The invasions ARE the base of the next chapter, that in turn means that the invasions are MAJOR content. Granted, some players tend to avoid them over time, but the fact is, they still got the point Disney was trying to make across.

Redesigned islands - gave us the impression the EITC were destroying the Caribbean. That in turn led us to the GM events. That went to new level caps and invasions. And THAT will lead to the next chapter. As you can see, the content that Disney has released is, scripted - it follows a plot, playable - we the players are involved in that plot, and on-going - each event triggers the next.

I agree with basically everything you said except a few statements.

You didn't really provide any facts to support that the second story quest will be based on the invasions.

If the developers said they were working on the Kraken, wouldn't that mean that that's what the second story quest will be about? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Kraken wouldn't the developers rather have all the hard work they put into the Kraken designed as a battle, and not something you can do just by sailing?

I for one see that saving the Pearl during the first story quest meant they were following the movie story line, and once killing off the Kraken and Davy Jones the developers can add in their own story quests.

Having two set in stone story quests to work on is much easier for the developers to work on than just having them say, "Well, what are we going to do? Something about Jolly Roger? Or how about we make new enemies? Ooo... let's go back to the Spanish and French pirate lords and make them a major story quest!"

It seems down right silly to me if they decided to have invasions be the basis of the second story quest. Would it not be a horrible basis, seeing as odds are you're going to need to do an invasion in one quest? When invasions only happen at certain times, which means finishing a quest to do an invasion would be too difficult. Not to mention winning an invasion to complete the quest.

Listen, I for one love the idea of a Jolly Roger story quest... but lets leave that for later. If the Kraken is what the developers are working on, that needs to be the basis of the second story quest. Kill off the Kraken and then in the third story quest fight davy jones and have loads of fun on the Dutchman.

It just seems illogical for them to say they're working on the Kraken, and then have to stop that to make a story quest that's going to go against the movies. Yes, the game is different, but Davy Jones came before jolly roger, and he should be the first to be "taken care of".

skullduggery bones 01-10-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe (Post 192979)
Personally, unless someone has a fully mastered level 50 (or at least the old fully mastered, level 40), then there is really no reason to complain. The raise in notoriety levels was major content, maybe not the exact major we want, but that will come in due time. Unless someone has finished that part, they still have something to do, so new story chapters shouldn't be that big of a deal.

I have 3 pirates 50 and a 4th nearly there so as Sven says I should be the one complaining, but I am totally happy with what POTCO has given us. The game has progressed so much and is so different from when it started. In these last 2 years they have actually given us loads (just check out the POTCO events Wiki) And I know that there is also much, much more to come. So they said certain things may come out, but haven't..... YET... It will be here soon enough.
I have a fantastic guild, great circle of friends and can always find something to do.
So I give the game an A.

Sven Osymthe 01-11-2010 12:23 AM

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You didn't really provide any facts to support that the second story quest will be based on the invasions.
I didn't really think it would be necessary to include. Reading the lores, and attending the GM events, it is pretty obvious that the next step in the story is picking up where the invasions left off. Jolly Roger attacked Port Royal, to destroy the mansion. He attacked Tortuga to capture Jack Sparrow. But what about Padres?

There was a thread floating around for quite some time, which contained a quest (believed by the person who posted it to be the next chapter). That quest was removed from the game, but it was the headstone quest. The headstone in the quest was apparently located on Padres (or at least the person who knew where it is at is located there). That quest right there fits into the "But what about Padres?" question. Makes perfect sense to me that this could very well be the next chapter, with the Kraken following soon after.


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If the developers said they were working on the Kraken, wouldn't that mean that that's what the second story quest will be about?
All of the work on the Kraken does not mean it is going to be the base of the next story. Sure they worked on it, but that doesn't mean it is going to be the next chapter. Look at their stories posted on their site, nothing about the Kraken (other than rumors of it arriving in March last year), has been said. It wouldn't make much sense to throw the Kraken in the game right now, because there is no story leading up to it. Right now Disney has made out Jolly Roger to be the main enemy, with that said, throwing Davy Jones and the Kraken into the game make no sense at all.

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It seems down right silly to me if they decided to have invasions be the basis of the second story quest. Would it not be a horrible basis, seeing as odds are you're going to need to do an invasion in one quest? When invasions only happen at certain times, which means finishing a quest to do an invasion would be too difficult. Not to mention winning an invasion to complete the quest.
That wasn't what I meant when I said the invasions would more than likely be the base of the next chapter. I meant that the invasions are going to build up to the next chapter. The invasions have again, brought up the question as to why the islands are being attacked. We know why Port Royal is, why Tortuga is, all that is left is Padres.

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It just seems illogical for them to say they're working on the Kraken, and then have to stop that to make a story quest that's going to go against the movies. Yes, the game is different, but Davy Jones came before jolly roger, and he should be the first to be "taken care of".
Actually, given all the talk about the Kraken (by the players, not developers), it makes perfect sense for them to say they are working on it. By saying that, they are building hype for the release of the Kraken. That hype will encourage more people to join the game and play. Or encourage those playing already to stick around and see it.


Its just my opinion, but to me it makes a lot of sense. Given all Disney themselves have said, Davy Jones and the Kraken do not fit into the story at the moment. First things first, they have to reveal to us why Jolly is attacking Padres. Be it in a major chapter, or just a minor quest, they need to reveal that to us. Assuming that the next chapter is that old headstone quest we've heard about before, they could have Jolly steal that. Then the quests following could be us trying to locate the headstone, recover the headstone, and then they could introduce Davy Jones and the Kraken into the story.

toanuju22 01-11-2010 12:44 AM

Well, for terminating both my accounts, making the Barbary Korsairs Guild fall into pieces, not responding to any of the emails Me, my mom, my guild, or even my friends from POTCO sent, taking over a month to reinstate my accounts, not telling my why I was terminated in the first place, and having horrible customer service, I couldn't give POTCO anything more than a G- in customer service.

As for POTCO's updates, C+, over all their not amusing unexpected and enjoyable, new lvls were good, but many Players already maxed again making it rather a waste, doing cave raids, Eitc events, and the Port Royal invasions, also weren't really needed or important. If POTCO really wanted to simply make one good update this year, they should have simply added an amazing ship customization, got rid of all the old ships, and adding real movie accurate ships, ones with real top deck guns too! Then I might have given POTCO a A-, but they didn't so they stay with a C+.

And my over all grade for POTCO, a E-.

Now I got the question in the last thread I posted, asking why did I try so hard to get my accounts back to play POTCO if I hate it?
First off, I don't hate POTCO,..... very much, I hate their customer service.
And second, I play not for any joy or fun of what POTCO has to offer, I play simply for having fun with my guild (Been doing so since June.) , however being that POTCO terminated me for 3 Cursed months, the guild went to pot, and now there really isn't much of a purpose to play.

Nuju-

Captain Del 01-11-2010 01:12 AM

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Well, for terminating both my accounts, making the Barbary Korsairs Guild fall into pieces, not responding to any of the emails Me, my mom, my guild, or even my friends from POTCO sent, taking over a month to reinstate my accounts, not telling my why I was terminated in the first place, and having horrible customer service, I couldn't give POTCO anything more than a G- in customer service.
Mate, I'll be perfectly honest. There are HUNDREDS of pirates who get banned every week, and recieve no reason. Consider yourself lucky just that they actually responded to you. And seeing as how they reinstated your account, which they hardly EVER due, consider yourself a walking good-luck charm. You can't be angry with them, for banning you, when you violated their rules, on MULTIPLE occassions. Its YOUR responsibility to be a pirate who follows rules, and not only that, but sets an example for his guild. YOU accepted the Terms of Use, and YOU agreed THEY could ban you for violating those rules, and YOU agreed you would allow them to do so for whatever reason. And, just a bit off-topic. Wouldn't you think that you would stop using that word that stops with an "i," even after your account got terminated over it? ;)

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As for POTCO's updates, C+, over all there not amusing unexpected and enjoyable, new lvls were good, but many Players already maxed again making it rather a waste, doing cave raids, Eitc events, and the Port Royal invasions, also weren't really needed or important. If POTCO really wanted to simply make one good update this year, they should have simply added an amazing ship customization, got rid of all the old ships, and adding real movie accurate ships, ones with real top deck guns too! Then I might have given POTCO a A-, but they didn't so they stay with a C+.
Well, they don't have to add content in general! They could have just made the game, and let it be. And, POTCO is a fantasy game, mate. If I wanted to play a historically accurate game, I'd go play POTBS (which was way too complicated for a pirate like me.) What are the POTC movies about? Undead pirates, talking fish, an man with a squid as a head who locked his heart in box, who controls a bigger squid, and all that stuff? Yeah... Also, keep in mind, its Disney. They're mascot is a talking mouse, and they're entire company is based on imagination. You can't expect for them to create a living, breathing world with real, complicated ships and a working economy.

MacIronhawk 01-11-2010 01:36 AM

Well, I can continue to theorize, or I can stop, so I'll stop.

It's impossible to know what the second story quest will be about until it comes out. I for one believe it will be about the Kraken, considering he's in the phase files and being worked on.

There's no real evidence to say Jolly Roger will be in the second story quest. For all we know invasions are here just to entertain us.

Invasions in toontown happen all the time, and invasions in POTCO may just be little events for fun that will happen all the time. It would be weird of the developers to get rid of invasions and use them just to build up to a second story quest. What about players that join two years from now? Shouldn't they get to have a chance at invasions? I think so.

I'm just going to say, I strongly believe the second story quest will be about the Kraken. Seeing as there's no evidence to support or disprove any claim that has been made, it's a safe assumption.

Midhav 01-11-2010 02:50 AM

well there could be a 3rd chapter about the kraken, the 2nd one continuing the Invasion story....
The invasions after pdf may drop in once in a while.Mate its part of the lore thats why. the 2nd one might set off after jack gets the BP back.

ex8404 01-11-2010 03:23 AM

I honestly think that the second chapter was supposed to be out by now. I think that the end boss was supposed to be the Kraken. I also think that, for whatever reason, the Kraken didn't work and they have been back pedaling all year long.

That is why we have little quests like Casa del Muerto and also the Invasions. Jolly Roger is here because it works. These things combined with everything else help lay the groundwork for the NEW second chapter. So the rewrite has begun, the new chapter will be here when it gets here and this pirate is still bored.

I will make a prediction. There will be no Kraken. I am sick to death of the all "Kraken" talk so I imagine the poor developers are a million times sicker of the thing. I have never pinned my hopes and dreams a big, dumb, smelly squid-thing in the first place. If the squid DOES show up? It will be as a final boss of the new chapter...

Humbly submitted, ex8404.

MacIronhawk 01-11-2010 03:55 AM

I think you're right, ex8404.

I find it odd that they worked on the Kraken, even showed us a grey model of it, and it hasn't been out yet.

They're probably having trouble with the AI. The Kraken needs to be able to grab us without us having to stand in a certain spot on a ship. It needs to be able to move its' tentacles 360 so that it can grab pirates from any area on the ship, and of course missing a pirate every now and then.

If you think about it, the Kraken being a boss battle is extremely complicated. It's most likely going to be the boss battle at the end of a story quest, but what will go into the battle is more complicated than any other thing in the game now.

I find it amazing the developers haven't posted something like, "The Kraken itself is done, but complications have occured that we need to fix before we can work on a Kraken battle." Even if they aren't working on a battle right now, I'm surprised he hasn't come out yet when pirates of him were posted on the POTCO site.

It just seems too weird for him to not be out yet. Well, all we can do is wait... hopefully the developers aren't having too much trouble, because they need to hurry.

Like I've said, if they don't get something huge out before the summer, they're going to lose a lot of players.

Captain Whale 01-11-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven Osymthe (Post 193309)
I Jolly Roger attacked Port Royal, to destroy the mansion. He attacked Tortuga to capture Jack Sparrow. But what about Padres?


That wasn't what I meant when I said the invasions would more than likely be the base of the next chapter. I meant that the invasions are going to build up to the next chapter. The invasions have again, brought up the question as to why the islands are being attacked. We know why Port Royal is, why Tortuga is, all that is left is Padres.

Ahoy - I posted a short history of what we know in the Eiree sightings thread. During the Reunion GM events John Moses stated that Jolly Roger is going to Padres del Fuegos to retrieve weapons. He said he overheard Jolly Roger discussing this and that there are weapon caches all over the island. we were warned to protect Padres and deny Jolly these weapons. The actual target during the invasion of Padres is the main town itself. Jolly's minions attack the walls of the city.

My thought is this will lead to the new level of weapon quests. Also the golden cutlass that John Moses found in his field has to play a part somewhere. See where the story takes us. P)

Captain Whale

Buck Seahawk 01-11-2010 01:49 PM

Lies lies all lies......... F-. I have pretty much stopped playing, until they get the good stuff in.... if ever.

toanuju22 01-11-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Del (Post 193316)
Well, they don't have to add content in general! They could have just made the game, and let it be. And, POTCO is a fantasy game, mate. If I wanted to play a historically accurate game, I'd go play POTBS (which was way too complicated for a pirate like me.) What are the POTC movies about? Undead pirates, talking fish, an man with a squid as a head who locked his heart in box, who controls a bigger squid, and all that stuff? Yeah... Also, keep in mind, its Disney. They're mascot is a talking mouse, and they're entire company is based on imagination. You can't expect for them to create a living, breathing world with real, complicated ships and a working economy.

Now if POTCO would have just made the game and never updated it, would you play, with all the bugs and such? I don't even think POTCO would have been able to last a year without having to shut down if there would be no updates. They have to make updates, if they don't they would run out of money. Now I question if you can read quite clearly, I know POTCO is fictional but it's based of POTC, POTC had real ships, and if your going to say "The Dutchman wasn't real! well, no it wasn't, but the basic look of the ship, is almost a complete replica of the Sweedish Galleon Of War, the Vasa.
The point is that POTCO is movie based, so it should have ships looking the same as they did in the movies.

For reference:

The Flying Dutchman:
[IMG]http://images3.*****.nocookie.net/pirates/images/thumb/6/6b/FlyingDutchmanScreen.jpg/250px-FlyingDutchmanScreen.jpg[/IMG]

The Vasa:
Click the image to view the full version

Yes the POTC movies are fictional, but the ships in it are based on real ships.

The Interceptor: Brig.
The Dauntless: First Rate Ship of the Line aka Man Of War.
The Endeavor: Same as the dauntless.
The Black Pearl: East Indiaman
The Empress: Junk
The Flying Dutchman: Vasa
The Edinburgh Trader: Baroque

And don't get me started about the talking mouse. :laughks2:

Nuju-

Dockwrecker The Privateer 01-13-2010 05:26 PM

Nuju has a point,I would like to see some more kinds of ships in the future myself.Especially brigs, more NPC ships ,as well as Ship Customization.I think Ship Custom. is coming:After that last sailing 'update' they did add a few good things,Ferrets have no broadsides wheras Sea Vipers do.

lostmymarbles 01-13-2010 09:46 PM

Back to topic here...(there are several other threads that have a debate type format).. you asked for ratings and what we would like to see.

When I started playing (Dec 2007), I would have given the game an "A+" (even with the major delay of the Boss Battle). But as the time passed, and friends stopped playing, I would have rated it at "B." Guilds had started dissolving and dieing even as early as 6 months after the release date. About 8-7 months into the game, I was introduced to a very active guild (The Elite Circle / Deuces Wild) that went out of the way to make the game fun. So my rating stayed the same for a long time. The fun that I had with friends made up for the lack of new story line content (and I consider content to be what is displayed in my log book...ie quests). We held several guild events to bring us together and keep us close (2 major guild scavenger hunts, lol..oxymoron alert.. organized afk push races, boating races, and relay races).

Over the past year, Disney has "simplified" the graphics on the three main islands when they did their island makeovers. I do keep all my settings on high. The atmospheric ocean/ sailing graphics have been fine, as well as on the wild island (fog, mist, swaying palm trees). But the graphics on the main islands have become static, no movement, the variation in color that give it depth is missing. My grading of the game slipped to a "C".

Now after two years, I give Disney / POTCO a "D." I have finally felt the disappointment that many expressed a year into the game. While other games have had entire expansion programming added to their gameplay, Disney has given us small bits and pieces with no clear focus. And to make this clear, I have no mastered pirates. My main pirate, the first one I made is still only a level 42 or 43, but I have no interest in grinding weapons just to make "Master."

This will be the last time I pay for my account unless they come up with content that has a purpose in expanding the game.

No replies needed folks. This is just my rating of the game.

The Skirata Clan 01-13-2010 11:39 PM

Well put Lost!

Bladehawk 01-14-2010 01:10 AM

I think about B+ because I like POTCO but we do need some changes as in pets and higher levels and weapon levels, and maybe even MORE weapons! Doesn't that sound like a good change?


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