POTCO chat problems?
 

Well , I've been playing on my new account, trying to regain my once glorious title of sultan, but just today I was banned for a day on my new account for saying infidel, now I'm really confused, for every almost every Korsair has muttered the word infidel about five....thousand times. I read through Disney's chat rules 16 times trying to find out why the word infidel can get a pirate banned, but I found nothing.
So if anyone can point out and underline where it says that infidel is a mean/bad/hate/evil/pizza word, please tell me.

Anyway, this is what my 24hour suspension was for:

http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...3&d=1250906683

Remember now.... Disney has that "new" chat system. If it finds it say goodbye to your account.
I don't think this is a good system.
Many people are being banned for rules not stated in the house of rules!!!:mybadki6:

Well the statement alone doesnt seem to warrant any such action however, if the statement were targeting other players in the game, it could easily be construed as an insult, in which case that IS in the rules as being against chat policies. One should not make the mistake of looking for their specific word in the rules, but the meaning/intent of the word, and how it was/can be used.

The root meaning of the word itself is a religious reference, which could also easily be construed as against POTCOs chat policies.

^Not to differ too much here, but that word is in top most common usage. Absolutely everyone has used it once in their life.
I called some NPC's that killed me crazy, you don't think that they'll ban me for that... Do you?
Because I just bought a membership. :(
CS~

Most words of profanity are used ten-fold beyond the top most words your likely referencing, and are against the chat policies.
Frequency of usage bears no relevance when it comes to chat guidlines/rules.
Meaning, intent, and purpose however have a great deal of relevance.

Then why doesn't Disney actually read the chat logs?
There's no way a Disney person would think that was a bad saying if they actually read it... Right?
At any rate, I wasn't joking about the last part...
You don't think I'll be banned, do you? I hope not, I wanna be a part of the test server. :(
CS~

I have to agree, if they would actually READ the chat logs they may know what we were meaning, that's why sometimes you need to contact them and straighten things out.

Like the one time I got suspended, the filters had it all wrong (It was something about another game), and I contacted customer service and it was all cleared up, the 3 day ban turned into like a day and a half ban.

Well , this is the reason I brought this chat topic up, I know almost every Korsair has used the term, and I fear for them all getting banned, so I told them to lay off the word for a while. But even after googling what Infidel meant I just arrived with this,

But the way we used it as more for doubting or rejecting principle or system ect.
As is rejecting gravity or rejecting that donuts are good.

I did email Disney on this topic to try and find out why infidel was worth banning, and so I am waiting for some reply. I do find it strange that when typed, Infidels does not come up in italics or red, just as regular chat comes out, which is very deceiving. And I'm starting to think autoban is malfunctioning.

http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...3&d=1250906683

I'm sorry, but I am starting to think that might be the reason you got the other account banned.

do you think it could have been the S on the end?better be careful with the new account

Don't think so, they almost banned me before on the same account for just saying infidel, but I wonder why POTCO ban pirates for saying a word that they already approved with their chat. This is what they gave me a 10 hour ban for:

It was just me having some fun with friends and using the term infidel as we most commonly did.



http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...3&d=1250906683

You never learn, mate. If they banned you from saying that word why oh why would you say it again. Keep in mind that the word has been used in context that I think its best not to discuss.

I though the first time that Autoban was malfunctioning, and thought it would be repaired within the week, but I guess that it hasn't been fixed or explained, figuring that if infidel was worth banning from the beginning of the Korsairs, a good 9 council members would be banned, so it lead me to believe it was either Disney hating on Korsairs, a Malfunction of auto ban, a evil mod, or changed chat rules.

http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/f...3&d=1250906683

Perhaps D might be assosiating the word with Korsairs now if they noted any patern.I do agaree with Skirata on his last post.But for investigation.... Do you say it more than anyone else?Have any others on the Korsairs been banned or suspended for it?If your not careful they might notice its you again and ban, unlikely but possible.if the Korsairs need a reference outside the guild or something to help with the D issue I might be able to help in a non e mail way. though I understand use of the word as fun and not meaning any real harm of it in your case?

very offensive word...
 

Ahoy toanuju22,

I think the problem here is two fold Mate, One, as TSC (Skirata) has clearly stated, “If they banned you from saying that word why oh why would you say it again”.
First, I think you are trying to simplify something here that is clearly a not simple or acceptable by the obvious looks of Disney’s response and by many other people as well.
If you ignored the first warning Mate, then what recourse do you have when trying to defend the second action of the same wrong doing?

Secondly, the root of the problem may lay here… the term “infidel” is basically viewed as a ethnic slur. A derogatory remark to another group or individual and in light of recent actions worldwide by a few militant individuals this term has world wide defamation associated with it. It may seem simple to you and simply fun, but to most of the world, there has been real life hurt and deaths by such misuse of the word and those using it. I have family members who are African American, there is a known slur word that starts with a “N” that is also racially and ethnically verbalized by wrong motives. Keep in mind Disney is the largest world wide entertainment business and employs many different people of races and backgrounds. These are the people who have world wide experiences too and probably have also seen and know the reality of the term and it's effect on others.

There is one program Disney has implemented for swearing that is not human specifically but that is new and this term “autoban” has been used long before that newly implemented program, but the fact is, there is a moderation team, real people that reviews all words, in every form of chat, nothing is overlooked and certain terms carry a flag with it.
We can all assume the term “infidel” is amongst them.

Having fought in the Persian Gulf war, I am all too familiar with the term and it’s use of such against many westerners. I am glad it is not allowed.

My hope for you Mate is that you can accept it, and just come back and play this game with a simple lesson learned. :)

Well, as it is, Ive been the only Korsair banned out of the countless times infidel was used. I'm not the greatest user of infidel either, Leon is, but he quit about 3 months ago, but still if I wasn't the only one, why just ban me? And why not ban anyone while infidel's usage was in it's prime? It's seems a tad strange, and from looking in an online dictionary, the definition of infidel was stated as:


But I've recently sent a few Emails to Disney concerning this and am waiting for a reply.

The problem 22 is the meaning such word has acquired. It has and is used in a context of hatred towards someone or something. The meaning of words and things change too. They can't tell the content in which the word is used. Use this experience as reference. If you were banned twice for it just don't use it ever. If they say its a "problem word" then abide by their rules. After all its their game. I would leave the case of the meaning of the word out of your pleas to return to POTCO. Just apologize and hope for the best. I know you can be smarter than that.

Wow... You guys nailed it. The real definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Disney doesn't like the word infidel. Achilles, a fellow player and Gulf War Veteran does not like the word infidel. I (a veteran but not a war veteran) don't like the word infidel. Too many people have been killed for being "infidels". It is a religious reference no matter HOW you want to twist the meaning. Man up and let this one go. It's a 24 hour suspension. Read a book or take a walk.


EDIT: OK 22. I remember you now. A decent but misguided Pirate. You have been banned a lot. You really need to let this one go before you get IP banned.

As a person who has earned a living with words, there is no way you can use the words doctrine, system or principle in the context in which they were intended and casually state that it is about rejecting gravity or donuts.

You said what I assume to be "Silence Infidel". 22, you can't use high school logic to blame "the other guy." By your own admission you were nearly banned for the SAME WORD USE! Using "infidel" again just shows poor judgment or a complete rejection of the DOCTRINE, SYSTEM and PRINCIPLES that Disney has in place...

Drop the word "Infidel" from your lexicon mate. Play well and play often...as soon as your ban is lifted.

Well they have NO right to ban you. They LET you say it and since it was approved, they really can't ban you. Contact them and tell them that this isn't really fair. maybe they'll fix this and put it in red.

i have to agree nuju... if they banned you once for it, i'd have to say the korsairs need a new word. I would REALLY hate coming back to the korsairs only to find you permabanned again. by the way, be careful about contacting big mickey so often. after awhile they might just get irritated enough to blacklist your IP adress or something like that...well i dont know if they can do that, but you get my point.

Here's the definition of infidel from wiki.

I can see why you would be banned and/or suspended for using this word in the game. It targets certain people.

All I can say is that you should probably have more appropriate word choices when it comes to an E10+ game.

P.S.Angel Seafish, if you have open chat, you can literally say anything. I can say numbers, curse words, etc... Of course I don't, but with open chat, you can speak with other people who have open chat just like you would in real life. People without open chat can't see it, but people with it can.

So... you can say just about anything in the game, but it doesn't mean you should. Disney is giving us freedom of chat in the game, and if we choose to go against the rules by using... offensive rules, we will get in trouble.

The whole story is not fully told.... Lets just say that it was well deserved.

Let this particular case serve as an example to other players when it comes to word usage, meanings, and contexts.

22 Might get his account restored, hopefully, and the lesson is learned.