Kingshead Etiquette
 

Kingshead Etiquette

As most know Kingshead is the popular place to lvl grenades and staff so after a few days of trying to lvl staff I thought it would be useful to all to make a few recommendations on proper etiquette.

If lvl grenades:
1. Check to see if someone is already there lvling staff first if so try another server (nowadays more are empty than not)
2. If someone is there lvling grenades ASK to join in first if they say no or if you prefer to go it solo then see above

If lvling Staff:
1. Check to see if someone is already there lvling grenades first if so try another server (nowadays more are empty than not)
2. If someone is there lvling staff see if they want to crew up and share the rep or take turns while each waits for voodoo to refill if they say no or if you prefer to go it solo then see above

You could also take turns with grenades, i got mine to 20 on my test character really fast doing that, it was pretty enjoyable being able to chat with people instead of mindlessly clicking

When I have lvled staff on KH, I have had many rude people. One in particular ran up to me and started yelling "Leave Now!!!!" in caps over and over till he finally left...after about 30 minutes -_-. Others that have no staff, and some who dont have grenades just come and stand in my face and just stare.


When I have lvled grenades I havent had any problems like that. Had one that I told him he could stay and we could take turns.

Asking to crew up and take turns is always the best option. Bonus for everyone, and you can use each other to TP back from ammo runs. If they won't crew and share, move on. No need to argue about it, plenty of ocean out there.

We were working nades once when a girl came on and started staffing our clusters... was pretty rude. We kept nading, and pulling them away. We'd wait for them to spawn, and be ready to toss one over. She kept rep stealing - came over to the fence, and made a few rude comments. As bad as it sounds, we finally pulled out our level 40's and managed to get her 'sent to jail'. =)

Figured if anything, it would teach her a lesson.

Proper manners have been a debate since day 1

Yah but some people use the excuse that were pirates, and were supposed to act rude and snobby, but they just dont realize its people just like them sitting behind those characters.

Agree, I had someone appear with staff, when leveling nades, the interesting thing was the pirate came up to me and stood there to begin with. Then straight over to vet's with staff! Then after that it was 10-15mins of abuse to try and get me and 2 other guildmembers to leave!. I should really report it, but took the ca le vie approach! As report 1 you may as well report the next 5-10...etc.

This is my take.

Crew up !!! That alone will fix a lot of this problem.

-First of all, If I have intentions to go solo I would select a known depopulated server. I would not go to Abassa or something crazy like that.

-If I get there, be ready to share for what I'd do the same if you came to me. The key is crewing up! and the problem lays on those that are there already or come in and one of those parties refuse to crew up, that's the real problem. Yes, yes, I know,,, you're thinking reps stealing, well, I see the enemies are gonna be defeated at a much faster rate, you get crew bonus, it will all work out a the end.

What I'm not doing is server searching until someone "lets" me play, come on, I'm a paying subscriber, I will be considerate and select a slow server to start with the first time but don't expect me to sail to many KH's until I find an empty one.

This game is shared by many and while I'm speaking as the devil's advocate I think that the proper etiquette should go like this.

You attempt an empty server and sail to KH.

-You get there and someone is already leveling up.
-You ask nicely to be crewed and not the other way around. (Make sure you leave your old bloody crew)
-If they crew you, then great if they decline then prepare to share reps without the bonus or go elsewhere.

May I play Devil's Advocate here?

"Started staffing our clusters.." That sounds almost like a dog-in-the-manger approach to sharing... With the utmost respect I will assume that you gave this poor deluded pirate the benefit of your superior wisdom, overwhelmingly kind heart and all around, top rate pirating experience and offered to share the dog-pile?

Otherwise you just might be guilty of that other hated denizen of Kings Head. The dreaded King's Head, I Just Got My 'Nades Marching Veterans Level Hog. They can be found all around the Caribbean but mostly reside in Kings Head, living mostly along the fence line. You find them anywhere from Level 20 to 40 but the Level 21-24 KHIJGMNMVLH is usually the most surly and unpredictable.

I'm just playing around really. But respect goes both ways I guess...

Crewing up is all well and good, but if I see someone leveling alone on a quiet server, I assume they're doing it because they want to, and I leave them be. :)

You may be pleasantly suprised how many of those KHIJGMNMVLH's are the complete oposite of your description. I always prefer some company during that insanely boring time, and would crew you and take turns in a heartbeat.

Oh no. Not surprised at all. But you are describing a different creature altogether. You might be thinking of the Good Natured Kings Head Sure I'm Leveling 'Nades But I Would Rather Chat and Level Than Just Level and Uhmm.... Never mind. :psmiley35:

Anyway, you're right of course. Most Pirates I run into on Kings Head know I'm there for a common cause and sharing has WAY more benefits than going it solo...

I personally dont see how people survive going solo lol, teaming is so fun, escpecially with the hole guild hanging around chatting :P

POTC is not really a game for the selfish, you just can't do your own thing, without running into someone who thinks differently from you. I guess each on to their own.
Having heard and seen all sorts of moans from fellow pirates at Kingshead, when in big crews "please no staff, im leveling cutlass.." or "no more nades, im leveling staff!". Fine if were all in agreement, use same weapon such as cutlass or dagger. However there's always some pirate, comes along out of nowhere.. who knows best, and goes watch what I can do with voodoo staff!
Its a real shame you can't punch or kick fellow pirates, that would be ace!

Move
 

There is no formal Kingshead Etiquette and attempting to overlay one will just set up a false set of rules which are ultimately unenforceable. Do whatever you feel is best for you and expect others to do the same. If they don't seem to be the same then that's ultimately just too bad. I have no clear resolution since no player can effect the behavior of another. I do have a suggestion though, If you don't like whats going on, move!

Actually, I'd suggest everybody realize that unless it's violating a Disney rule, it's generally okay to be done in game. Nobody owns the MOBs. If somebody comes along and starts staffing when you're nading, big deal. It could be a kid. maybe it's a special needs player. The point is you don't know and you're not supposed to ask.

So, what if instead of working on a set of rules, we try to be helpful to others? You don't know what the situation is behind the toon. And by the way--you might make some friends that way too. And those friends may be inclined to play more nicely.

If they are rude or violate Disney's rules, use the report function.

I was never trying to setup rules for Kingshead, I do realize that is impossible, merely stating a few suggestions on how to use the parade grounds without all the bickering and fighting that so often happens there. Instead it ended up on this thread as well, the idea was to come up with suggestions on how players can get along while using the parade grounds to level. I realize some players will always be rude, some nice, some noobs, some that perfer to go solo but when did suggesting ideas for how we can get along and play together better become a bad thing!

Not a bad idea
 

Not a bad idea to give an opinion, its just unreasonable to set up guidelines that are unenforceable and frankly unrealistic. Everyone plays how they want to, unless they are breaking the Disney rules for conduct there isn't a thing you can do.

I agree Captain, but it does get fustrating when you are leveling and people just start staffing or nading your people. Then again it is a multiplayer online game, so I guess you take the good with the bad.

Personally, I believe there's always a place for common courtesy, and that there's nothing unrealistic about expecting others to be polite.

Anonymous or not, all those pirates you see are being controlled by real people - treat them as such (which means, hopefully, with respect). IMO, if someone asks another player to not attack their enemy/enemies (assuming they were there first), the other player should respect that. Otherwise, again IMO, they're knowingly annoying another player, and that is against the rules.

Thats like saying dont post guides to lvling any weapons, sailing, cards or any aspect of the game because everyone will play how they want so dont give any opinions or suggestions for anything!

Ownership and Expectations
 

You spelled it out..

Ownership: "their enemies" The statement infers that somehow the person who was there first owns something when in reality there is no ownership and thus no duty to ask or an obligation to have another player allow you to do something.

Expectations: "expecting others to be polite" The statement implies that there are rules for politeness, ie don't attack enemies that someone else is attacking, when there is clearly no expectation or rule implying this. Rude behavior does not mean rep stealing, interrupting grenades/staff training or messing up enemies. That is called playing the game and everyone plays how they want too.

Common courtesy always implies a set of common values shared by all involved. With the multi-cultural, multi-age nature of this game I doubt you will find much common ground.

The word guide and the word guidelines are very different in meaning. A guide (as your using it) is a recommendation on the best way to do something while a guideline is a rule for how to act. Giving advice on how to improve your game play is always welcome but I'm not sure people react the same to others telling them how to behave. Disney has a code of conduct that spells it out very nicely so lets just stick to that without adding anything.

Once again you are reading more into my post than was intended nowhere does it say they are guidelines or should or need to be enforced merely suggestions for ways to play together on Kinghead without all of this kind of needless drama.

I am not really sure anyone was looking for a set of rules. Etiquette does not mean rules. It's simply about manners and treating people the way you want to be treated.

Our parents used to teach us that stuff but now we are expected to do it on a forum for a video game...

"Be Polite" isn't a rule it's a suggestion and a darn good one if you ask me. But I don't play at Kings Head on a crowded server for the same reason you don't find me on Abassa Tortuga...Not enough etiquette....

You know... this thread has opened up a subject that, I think, is being danced around.

...Rep Stealing.

What it is, what it isn't and, ultimately, can such a thing even exist in a game like this? Can a player actually steal another players rep? I don't want to know about the math of it all but you know what I'm talking about.

If you are working on an enemy in a deliberate way designed to maximize you rep and some other pirate jumps into the fray and entirely messes up your system, it makes you angry. Right?

If you're working on a baby pirate and trying to make some gold and get some sailing points, who doesn't get upset at some level 40 jerk in a War Frigate who lets out a broadside and sinks the Panther you've been working on for a while?

Of course we take ownership in the enemy we have invested our time, patience and gold in. But who's right and who's wrong? I would break it down by enemy. If I am one on one with an enemy and you are NOT in my crew or my guild, then leave me and mine the heck alone.

But you really don't get to rope off an entire region, do you?

The only thing I can guarantee is that the polite, mature pirate wins even if his or her victory is a moral one. But for heavens sake, don't come here and tell us that there is no room in POTCO for manners!

Very well stated.

Well, this reference which could also be defined as Rep Sharing is one of the situations that can arise when pirates do not use etiquette or manners in their approach of playing the game with others. This subject has been torn apart over and over again, I can honestly say I do not think there is a single word of advice, information, or discussion that can be said on the subject that has not already been said multiple times and I do not think we really want to go 'there' since this thread is regarding etiquette, not the varied opinions on what happens when players choose not to practice it. The subject tends to get quite heated, and threads dont last long in those circumstances.

The OP makes reasonable suggestions towards helping all pirates get along well and enjoy the game together. I not only recommend them, I heed them myself (and always have).

I would say no, rep stealing doesn't exist. The very notion of rep stealing indicates that the reputation from an enemy belongs to you somehow. That implies that somehow you OWN that enemy. I do not believe Disney would support ownership of any MOB.

No. It makes you angry if you belieeve you OWN that mob, rep and location. Otherwise, you crew up, take turns, heal each other, and enjoy the game that both of you want to enjoy.

Don't you still get experience and gold? For the other thought about ownership, see my above points.

But just because you see it that way doesn't mean everybody does. In cases like this, defer to what Disney says. You can ask them, or report the player, but I have a feeling nobody is going to get banned for attacking MOBs. You could get banned for false reporting though.

No you don't.

Nobody said that. As a matter of fact, you can report players for rude or disruptive bbehavior. However, I do not believe that Disney will view players attacking MOBs as rude or disruptive.

Yes he does. However, nobody is required to follow these suggestions. I understand they are a set of suggestions on how mature and polite players should act according to the OP's perspective. I think that common deccency and courtesy is a good thing. However, there are two very important thoughts that go along with the OP:

Nobody can be expected to follow these guidelines, and
Disney will not support these guidelines.

On its own, certainly not. However, if I'm alone somewhere grinding weapons and someone starts "sharing" with me, and their chat is not limited (ie, Speed Chat only and they can't understand anything I say anyway), I'll ask them not to. If they continue, I'll ask again. If they don't listen, I move to another spot. If they follow me, I'll ask them not to one final time, and say that if they don't leave me alone I'm going to report them. If they still don't listen, I report and either move on, or, if they've really annoyed me (like, called in their buddies too, who also sit by and wait for me to engage an enemy before attacking), I'll just staff everything until they get bored and leave.

If they have Speed Chat only, though, I'll just move to another area as soon as they start. No point in trying to communicate with someone who can't "hear" me (personally, I'd like to see some polite phrases in Speed Chat relating to this issue...oh well).

That is what I would view as a very mature and ressponsible way of handling that situation.

The thread was made as a suggestion on how to act around KH in paticular - and not supposed to be focused on Rep Distribution.

We have several other threads which discuss Rep Distribution, as several of the posters in this thread already know about. So, if the discussion of distribution can return to those threads and this one can continue on courses of action at KH, it would be much-ly appricated :)

I agree Max, but the reason that the OP posted about Kingshead Etiquette is because (at least as I read it) of the ideas that have been additionally covered, to include ownership, rep-stealing, and polite behavior.

I do know people can use the search function, and that the subordinate topic gets discussed semi-regularly, but if the sub-issues of etiquette on KH are important topics to be discussed in regards to the OP, should they not be discussed?

Well Bart - at one time I would of looked at it as Rep "Stealing" - but after many discussions we've had here on the subject I looked into some of the math behind it and it matters a lot on a) number of players in the area b) number of targets in the area c) number of Crew % Bonus and d) number of kills / respawns. This is why I went to using Rep Distribution, because it really depends on those factors and you can actually get more Rep in different combinations / enemies / locations than just looking at one location / enemy group.

I've even been able to perform tests on some of this recently using Tormenta vs. Outcast (Tormenta being another "hot spot" for those levelling for large Rep). Other locations as well are just as good or better than KH for Nades or Staffs, which is why the focus of Rep Distribution vs. Kingshead Behavoir I see as two different discussions (and we really do have several threads already on Rep - do we need to go off-topic on this one to add another? :D )

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As for my viewpoint on KH, I believe general overall politeness usually wins, and when it doesn't I wouldn't want to be there with someone who's rude anyway - and make my exit. I also recommend those trying to level to experiment with other locations besides the obvious - because there are several other locations which return better results for the time spent (and never used). :)

The OP is making a suggestion, I never read this as was making an official anything, just a suggestion for people to use common courtesy.

The problem of people thinking they attack a mob and it is their mob has been a problem in many many online games.

Complain about that and you will be told that nobody owns any enemies PERIOD.

Now if they start mouthing off, you have something to report, if they are harassing you, say following you everywhere you go, you might have a report but just them hitting the same mob, no report.

How to handle this? Leave go to another server or stand your ground and deal with it.

Wow! Let me repeat myself as the OPer it was not intended to set forth all binding guidelines for all pirates to obey or risk the PERMABAN! I have played with alot of new to pirates pirates recently and was just sharing a few pointers that make lvling staff and nades more enjoyable to me. It doesnt mention rep stealing it even mentions sharing and crewing up, no attacking an enemy someone else is fighting wont get u banned but niether will alot of things in the game that are rude like taking the captains wheel while sailing on someone elses ship or randomly asking every pirate you see to be you boyfriend or girlfriend. At the end of the day it is just a game and I was just suggesting ways to play nice with other players and have fun. TY

I never at point meant to detract from the OP. If you have read what I posted, I am in complete agreement with the OP.

But read all the posts. If REP stealing, distributing, sharing or whatever is not an issue here then what possible reason would any pirate have to be upset when a stray player comes in and staffs up "your, my, our, his" KH veterans? I am just reading between the lines.

Here is how I play the game. I tend to go solo because my guild has withered and died and I just don't want to start over again with new personalities and new people. I have my choice friends and we help each other whenever we need to.

If I want to level 'nades, I look for a quiet server and just do it. If someone wants to crew and share? Awesome. If someone is already there, then I move on.

If you ask me for help, I'll help. Don't even have to friend me. Have weapons, will travel.

If I see you (yes you) fighting a single enemy, I will NEVER join in. Ever. But I will attune you and make sure you stay healthy whether you ask me or not. You just might need the points more than me. If you are fighting multiple enemies and your health is going down I will heal and maybe take one of your bad guys. Hope that's OK.

When I am sailing, that ship you're attacking is yours. If you are running for port, about to sink, I might just try and get your enemy to focus on me so you can get to port safely though... That one is a little harder to gauge. Judgment call...

If you are nearby and need a revive, my tonics are your tonics. Even if it is my last one. I know where to get more and I have more gold than I need.

My style may be a little odd to some but it works for me. If you insist on joining in on all of my kills instead of getting your own, then I will leave. But one time, just once, I waited until the Seabeard focused on the Level 14 who was bugging me and stood back and watched... I felt bad about it later but at that moment it was oddly satisfying.

Anyway, I quit smoking and need something to do. So I post. Shall I go on about the pros and cons of message forums? :buds:

Curious debate... but there are several resolutions -

1) Move to another, more quiet server for the same location.

2) Crew up and work as a unit. Everyone gets more rep and you can pull in the other nearby sergeants and veterans.

3) Go to another spot. Sorry, I know that having a cluster of medium enemies like that is some kind of Holy Grail - but the fence doesn't stop them anymore and there are tons of places, even within KH that you can level.

Umm
 

The fence stops them still, it never didn't. You just have to stand in the right spot.
When more then one person is throwing they get distracted and then they can breach the fence easily.
Stand 5 steps back from the 7th post, that seems to work most of the time.

And as to the OP, If you don't like whats going on then just MOVE.. If you don't like how others play then go where they are not. If you prefer crew then crew up, if you prefer solo then avoid them all and MOVE..

Cool, So you agree with me then?

Well, I am in accord with Aliese, Max, Ben and so many others.

This is only my perspective as a primarily a solo player.

If I want to lvl up against the parade ground Navy on KH (regardless of weapons) I will sail, and sail, and sail until I find an empty KH. If I get tired of ocean jumping I might just drop the idea entirely for that game session.

I do not jump the parade grounds if someone else is already leveling.

If I'm already there at an unoccupied KH and someone else begins targeting the parade grounds I ask them politely to stop. If I get "they're not yours", etc. I go play ocean pogo until I find another unoccupied KH.

Simple as that. As stated, there are plenty of other places to level. I like KH because there's still a fence glitch that can be used (with spotty success). Yes, I've repeatedly reported the fence glitch on test because that's my job there. But I'll use it 'till it's fixed as long as it doesn't result in confrontation with another player.

Life is too short, and this game is goodish-sized.

The OP's post regarded etiquette and is very worthy in that regard.

When leveling at Kingshead I usually try to find an empty server first... Then sail from Padres to Kingshead.... If it is empty I level, if not I try another server. If a person pops up and tries to piggy back on my rep, I usually wait a minute or two. Generally most of the lower leveled pirates will end up getting killed, if not I just change servers. I don't mind arguing a bit though lol... but only when instigated lol.

When I level, I try to do it as fast as possible and cut out any time wasting. I can usually get the most rep when I am alone, because most people I run into level by throwing out their strongest attacks and killing enemies quickly... I can get more rep per minute via multiple hits per enemy using weak attacks... By the time I have to deal with a random person quickly killing the enemies, I can be on my boat half way back to Kingshead on another server.


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Larence Tuppington

I agree with everyone! So now going with past comments ^^^ When I go into Kingshead, I will now make sure no one else is there, but also ask to be crewed, make sure I don't rep steal and that no one else is either. Don't get followed by Pirates but heal pirates as well.
Sod it, Im going to Tormenta instead.....:mybadki6:

I've always found this to work for me. If I see someone leveling in a spot already, I move to a different server. If someone comes over to where I'm leveling and starts attacking the enemies, I propose we take turns and share. More often than not people prefer sharing. When they don't, I don't push the matter.. simply find a different server. I've actually met a few good pirates by suggesting we work together to lvl.

Most pirates don't know what 'rep stealing' is. They just come and fight to fight. The only reason we can argue over the matter is because we know how the rep system works. For those who don't know, they see it as just playing the game. In the end though yes, I do agree with what has been said. Politely ask if they wouldn't mind alternating or coming up with some routine that would benefit both, crew up, and maybe make a new friend. If that doesn't work.. just move on. There are plenty of servers out there. :piratear:

Most of us will share or move on; and then there are people who are just mean or rude. The following is a true story - I was on my 2nd pirate (Noto 20 and just starting to level grenades at Kingshead). Two people showed up, a Noto 34 (bad pirate) and his friend a Noto 30:

Bad Pirate: Get Lost NOOB

I just kept tossing nades.

Bad Pirate: I said GET LOST NOOB

I just kept tossing nades.

Bad Pirate pulled out his pistol and started shooting me - I just tossed nades. Bad Pirate then took out his staff and tried to Flame Skull me.

Me: You missed me

Bad Pirate: let's PvP and see if I miss you then.

Me: I need ammo (asked bad pirate to be player friends but he said NO. Asked bad pirate's friend to be player friends and he said YES)

I logged off and came back on my Pirate Master who TP'd to bad pirates friend.

I asked bad pirate if he was still interested in PvP but he said "I don't have time - g2g"; and then he went Poof.

Bad Pirates Friend: LOL that was funny

I still have bad pirate's friend on my list and he is always asking me "where can I work blah blah blah"

Nice way to handle it Kid!

haha kid that was great, needed a few laughs to wake me up

Do the pvp glitch before you go there. If people are being rude. Kill em using your most powerful weapon. Then tell em "Go to jail, you are being rude. Don't come back."

I've worked on 'nades solo and with one or two others. Any more than that and the rep suffers so much it's not worth it. I don't mind taking turns with one or two but five is just too many.

When leveling staff we crew up with one staff wielder and two healers. The staff pirate goes in the middle of the parade ground and just kicks off wither until the Navy guards go grey, while the other two heal. Whenever a guildie or friend hits level 30 we try to help with the quest and then celebrate at Kingshead with a leveling party for the new staff wielder. You can get to lvl 15 in no time.

As stated above there are lots of empty servers - just pick on in the last half of the list. Working with someone is always best but not more than one or two.

Captain Whale

This sounds sort of rude... :psmiley35: