I need some opinions on an issue
 

Last night, on Tortuga beach two unguilded high-level pirates and a baby pirate were standing together. This prompted me (being a GM) to inquire why they weren't in a guild.

They told me they were looking for a good home, and all three would join as a group. Quite a coup for someone I thought. But, as I read their responses other guilds trying to recruit them - I realized why they were on their own.

These three seemed to be proud of their bans, suspensions and were only seeking a guild for competition in events, etc. At that moment, I took my leave. As I parted I wished them good luck (simply that). I said, 'Good luck, I hope you find a good guild.'

One replied - SHUT UP, ELIZA. I walked back and asked what? He repeated it.

Now, here is my question... When this happened - should I have let it go?

I know they were probably just kids, etc. But, I didn't let it go. I posted an all points and over a dozen of my guildies TP'ed in. With that, I told the rude little ragamuffins that there was good reason why they won't find a guild who would want them. I asked that no one fight with them, just make the point and go.

Only way to handle such a situation, Eliza is to report the pirates for rude behavior & tp away. Pirates as these are not worth your playing time IMHO...

Agreed
 

I agree, just leave them be and TP away...
Why bother even reporting them? I'm beginning to wonder if they even read those any more. Can you imagine how many complaints like that they must get? Lets hope they are using their time better, making new content instead of policing rude little kids and I would be hard pressed to go through so much to report them and waste so much of Disney's time on such a petty thing..

I would have reported them, Eliza. Also, a screen copy of their chat, with ALL of it included wouldn't hurt. This can be sent to Disney. I often wonder about how far back D goes in reviewing chat logs once someone is reported.

Then, as others suggest, TP away.

I all so agree with the others if some one like that starts getting in your face in the chat room report them as fast as you can other wise there are just going to be a big pain in the butt i had to report a one or two ppl for being rude to me.This kinda behavior is not whanted bye many and most will not tollerate it.Like me i will not.I hate dealing with rude players.And it brings the fun of the game down.

We should Keehual them rude and inconsiderate people

Arrrr:dancetl6:


Fare Winds:pirate_flag: Me mates

If they are so proud of their bans and suspensions, I'm sure one more wouldn't hurt ;)
Eliza, report them and move on, it's about all you can do in that situation.
I don't think it's a waste of Disney's time at all! Keeping tabs on the obnoxious and the intentional griefers pobably isn't part of the developers' job description.

Thanks mates. Normally, I would have let it slide - honestly. And you mates are probably right - the mouse don't have time to deal with every report - I didn't report them.

But, part of me just felt like no other GM had ever made a point with those three regarding their behavior and they would just continue to be a problem for anyone who was unfortunate enough to guild them. Also, this was public - and I felt that backing down would not have shown well on the ETC.

Again, my guys were not antagonistic just backing me up. The good side is that when my mates began TP'ing in - the three of them got the hint and scattered.

In my experience pirates like this are actually looking for your negative attention. Best advice is not to oblige them, even be nice. "Always forgive your enemies, nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde

I must have played for over a year before I ever reported anyone. But some of the behavior I have witnessed lately just begs for reporting. And one pirate name just struck me as so rude, I couldn't let it go.

I would have reported them Eliza. Rudeness can ruin the fun of the whole thing. It's why I started playing on dead servers

I am also a little jealous of your guild support. My guild has all but dried up. What was once a strong guild, showing up in the Daily Top 100s, has fallen to one or two people online...

I report little kids who are smartarses. Always. If they get mouthy for the sake of being mouthy - report it is. Let them learn this is a place people come to have fun, not to be called names, or picked on. It needs to remain a family safe environment.

I PARTICULARLY ALWAYS report situations where bullying is occuring.

well my friend im my guild told me a amazing secret to people in abassa

everyone listen up - speaks quietly people in abassa have short attention spans besides reporting them you can do this
walk around said pirate in circles will make said pirate go mad after a few minutes and leave-

Ive gotten many bazaar and interesting colorful comments in Tortuga abassa,
none too nice seeming because i am gm of a guild with a middle eastern name.

Still, wouldn't take people in abassa to seriously many kids /teens there and joke round much
or just are a tad bit too crazy for a crew or said guild.

Yeah, I'd agree that report and TP is better. Bringing yourself and others into a situation like this isn't really much better than them. Yes, they were being little brats, but lashing back and using others to intimidate is not in the best taste either. I'd say leave it alone next time and let them go. They will eventually get bored of the game and leave anyways.

And you always want to make sure you don't do anything THEY can report you for. It would be a waste to get a ban/warning for three losers.

Well, I doubt the report does much good when it come to simply being rude.
If they are using inappropriate language/context that is another story.
More than likely when a report is initiated, its time stamp tells moderators EXACTLY where to look in chat logs.

Some people just get their jollies out of instigating trouble, and inspiring negative reactions. Just use the features to ignore the pirate, and move on. No sense in ruining your experience on these spoil sports, our first reaction to react is what THEY are after, don't reward them, and just move on would be my advice.

So you gave them the attention they were hoping for. You took the time to ask some guild mates to come over and then you told them how rude they were. I wouldn't have given them the satisfaction.

You CAN report people for rude behavior or for saying things like shut up.

I think there's also a bit of a stereotype in this thread. "...were probably just kids..." I've seen more teenagers than kids act that way in the game and I've seen more teenagers than adults do that in the game. All age groups do bad things. Depending on somebody's situation in life they can be nice in the game or not. I've seen kids act better than adults before, so making the assumption that they "were probably kids" seems a bit biased towards one age group. Sorry, I've seen this in a few threads now and it's a common stereotype when talking about game behavior.

Now to the real point I want to make. By rounding up some guildmates to intimidate them you've become the bully in this situation. What makes you better than them by sticking around with a group of people around you and telling them off? You could have just reported them and teleported. Besides, all bullys hate it when you don't give them the attention.

For the record, I think most adults think of teenagers as kids, fewer age 'groups' are usually considered.
LOL I call some of my 20ish year old friends "Kids".

Its not about age though, its about the behavior of the individual pirate regardless of age.

Good point about the bullying there Mac. Bad behavior just breeds more bad behavior.

Heck, I'm so old that I think of anyone under 35 as a "kid"! LOL

I really didn't take that into consideration. I don't think that way, but I can see why others do.

But yes, don't give in game bullys the attention by reacting. I've noticed that's one of the worst things to do in the game. It usually ends in people saying worse things.

Mac,

Thank you for the bully point and that is why I asked for the feedback. Once a few others arrived, I made it plain in Guild Chat to not whisper to them or argue.

About a year ago, it seemed like there was always issues between guilds and often times in my old outfit we had to make a show of force because another group singled one of us out.

But, in the end - I made the wrong choice in this case and in future will be refraining from giving anything but Eliza's smiling disposition.

I use the ignore thing it works too And most of the time i am on the Quite servers be cause of that most of the ppl that play the game tend to stick around on the A servers so i am glad they stay there the only time i go is to hop on to ships to get gold lol.

Some of the things i seen tend to stick out like a sore thumb in some case's if you see a bounch of other players being rude to another for no reason i would leave it alone or report the ones that are be rude or just Tp to another servers hopeing they dont follow you.

I had a few players follow me around i got tired of it if they start doing that Then tell them you are going to report them and if they dont stop then report that's what i do.

I really dont like to report people but if it comes down to be rude to me i will.

Because what i said before it does bring the fun of the game down a notch there where a few times i got so annoyed with this stuff that i stoped playing for a week
It was getting out of hand like the Bad mouthed others.

And i mean this too it's just a game!!!!!

Rule one of the Pirate Code!!!! Choose your friends Wisely:buds:

If you remember the name of the player, report it strait to Diseny. They need to know about it so it doesnt happen in the future. Doesn't matter if they were just kids. Even if they were kids they still did something wrong, and kids, adults, and teens have the same rights and wrongs. Just report it and move on. That is all.

Wow, were you seriously upset by that? However do you survive in the real world?

Captain,

Keep in mind that this is only part of the story, we don't know the backstory or the real problem. Also, what might upset some might not upset others. But all the solutions given are good.

Agreed TSC - even the most savvy pirate's nerves can be frayed at a rare time :)

And yes, many times I would of just reported and moved on without a word said - but there was one time I dodn't and had 15 others TP in... and they TP'ed right out :) Though I see Macs point of becoming the bully I look at it as defending - they were the bullys - I put an end to it (maybe not for long or changed them in any way - but not there on that day :) )

So don't feel bad about it Eliza - chalk it up to a "pause moment", next time report and TP away always remembering the one time you did stick around (with a hidden grin ;) )

If you cannot report them from within the game, chances are your report will be ignored. Names are not unique enough in the POTCO game to act upon them. A direct report within the game however... thats the ticket.

Next time challenge them to pvp...Thats what I would do lol

Ah but you see, there are some names you can just never forget. And if you can remember the date and time that would really help. Reporting from the in-game has seemed pointless. I wish they would send a little note saying like Disney staff has read your report. We are currently investigating what happened. Then they would say Thanks for the report. We have taken care of the player. Have a nice day. Or say to just ignore them.

This would make me feel a little bit more secure in the game knowing that Disney actually looks at your report. I remember in VMK they did that. But after you got done reporting it showed that they looked at it and then told you thanks.

I understand, but wether you remember the name or not, its not definitive enough for them to take action. A report from within the game tags the user account that is being reported... leaves no doubt. Wether you feel more comfortable with just reporting their name or not, in game reports are acted upon, whereas externally presented 'reports' are not. Many names are repeated (the game ALLOWS duplicate pirate names), could be spelled slightly differently, mispelled etc. They are not going to act upon someone's manual report for these reasons, people also lie for who knows what reasons. Reporting from within the game also timestamps things, etc, and allows them to find the exact chat logs pertaining to the incident. Otherwise, there is no way for them to be sure, or to verify the reported "incident".

I like your response idea, but a manually sent report is unlikely to be acted upon regardless of the number of emails you sent them.

Time/place etc of the incident seems helpful, but being a DBA myself, I know the database more than likely only shows where a pirate last was (and perhaps where they entered), not every single place theyve been, so times and places are not going to help pinpoint much of anything.

Main reason I responded, is because I know that a manual report falls upon deaf ears for those reasons (this subject has been discussed before). Felt it best to recommend people report from within the game.

JC, i think you should have just left them, but reported them, because as Mac said, ur just giving in by lecturing or paying attention to them....

Yeah, but you accomplish nothing by telling them and leaving. Then they think they ran you off.
I refuse to back down when someone starts in on me. I had a rude guy the other day make comments to my pirate Nelly because of her green hair. He just got ruder and ruder as it went on.

I made a few choice comments, classy, but put him in his place. He then 'apologized' and explained it was just his sense of humor and continued to be rude. The good Captain Druidblade TP'd over, and told him he shouldn't talk to a lady as such - and, was actually 'quietly intimidating' and didn't get into petty things with him, but certainly made an impression!!

This guy before was admittedly out of high school and going into the military (We heard him running his mouth before) With his manners, hes an embarassment, IMO. This was one horrible mannered KID.

A pet peeve is when people say 'Shut Up' or 'Leave'.... totally rude, and Im so TOTALLY going to do the opposite.

Wow. Why did this issue suddenly come back from the dead?

I have since implemented responses to such issues and we primarily ignore such behavior in the future. Still, I thank those who took time to give advice and helpful ideas.

I find it amazing(not in a proud way) that you would continue to talk to this fellow and not move on.

Just think of it in real life. If someone made rude comments would you walk up to them, knowing a fight could happen. Walking away, or "telling on them" is a better way to go.

I find it sad that the people I usually think of as mature are the people who like to continue on in a rude conversation than, (A)Ignore the person, (B)Walk away, (C)report, etc...

And then to have someone TP to help you is... well, you really shouldn't try to discipline others in the game. That's up to the people that run the game, not other gamers.

May be my opinion, but would you rather walk away after reporting the person? It saves you some much finger energy in the long run.

The issue never dies really - I think it just has its cycles. :)

Many time I think we've all played and run into rudeness, and many times we've just walked / TP'ed away - but to *never* feel fustrated after many, many times of running into these people I don't think is reasonable. There comes a day sometimes you just hit a point where "why should I be the one who walks away? why can't THEY get a taste of it back?". Thats why I never look down upon a pirate who almost never loses their cool but once they took a little action? I think its only human nature to strike back after so long.

If it was done often - then sure - your no better than them for looking for trouble to cause trouble of your own... but as discussed these players are in the game, getting them out is almost impossible, and if 99% of the time you report and walk and you only react 1% (or less) - I think that makes you human - not a bad person :)

Just ingore it and let them go there own way. When they said Shut up Eliza, you should have just walked away. Cause all that is going to happen if you are rude is, a bigger fight will break out for no reason, those pirates obviously arent worth the time. So next time this kind of thing happens just ignore the situation.


-Captain Elizabeth