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Old 08-22-2010, 06:54 PM
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Thanks ex8408 (reminds me of that song 867509 or something) and I know, I find swarm can do 700+ damage when maxed, and when I get spirit mastery for staff it'll do way more damage.
I was doing between 1200 and 1800 points of damage in Tormenta the other night with Swarm... Now If I had thought to take a picture or two, you might actually believe me...
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:20 AM
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I might add for the normal cutlass that you MUST have one level of Hack to get Slash, and one level of Slash to get Cleave, and so on. You HAVE to have those skills available, so don't skip them, it won't work.

Ah yes, Blade Storm is a beautiful one. Saved me when I soloed Remington the other day.....
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Old 08-23-2010, 02:16 AM
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Blade storm is, the best cutlass skill. And that should be in anybody's opinion. It does the most damage when maxed, and if you have a high attack (preferably famed) sword with critical strike... good lord knows how much damage you'll do.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:16 AM
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Things I was thinking while reading ur guide.
PvP Cutlass = Brawl in PvP? doesn't deserve even a pt, I'd put 0 on it, coz ppl consider Brawl cheap as well us as max 5 on Endurance. is cheap too & so is max Parry. Everything else ya said about cutlass looks good, tho I'd prefer to put more pts on Hack & Slash tho. Some ppl think max Hack is like Dagger's asp coz of the slow effect, which some ppl consider cheap too, just a warning. I'd either max Slash, Cleave Flourish, Thrust, BladeStorm, Sweep, put last 2 pts into Sweep (rofl sorry was tired when typing haha) Hack OR max the entire combo Hack Slash Cleave Flourish Thrust & BladeStorm & the last 2 pts into Sweep.

Gun = If u rly do PvP, its usually blades only, so bullets r useless. I'd spend 15 pts on all the Passives: Sharp Shooter & Dodge & Eagle Eye coz all 3 works great for Dagger's throws & put the rest of the pts in wherever u want, I'd max out Shoot & Take Aim & put ur last 7 pts in whatever ammo u like.

Doll = looks alright

Dagger = looks good, except i might take 1 pt of asp & put it on adder to max out adder, like i said b4, too many pts on asp is consider cheap by some pvpers. some ppl just put 1 on asp & put the other 2 pts 1 each for gouge & eviscerate.

Grenades = think u got Ignore Pain & Toughness mixed up with the descriptions. Ignore Pain is what makes Stun/Slow effect go away faster. Toughness just decreases incoming grenade/cannon damage. Toughness is pointless unless u SvS a lot & dont wanna be assassinated while gunning or sailing & want Grape Shot's effect u less. Looks good, except I'd max out Determination so ur HP recharges 50% faster & Ignore Pain max too, not sure about Toughness, I find it useless, I'd move the pts over to Demolition for cannon's impact.

Staff = Def dont put any pts into Pestilence; Banish is only good for lvling purposes since 6 Banishes = 100 rep, but ur mastered already so 0 pts on it. I'd max out Concentration & Spirit Lore. Conservation I think is pointless coz with max Concentration, it's an either/or type of thing, either max Concentration (50% faster recharge) or Conservation not both (uses 20% less voodoo I think). So I'd drop my last points into Spirit Mastery & Desolation.

SVS Sailing = there's 2 way of sailing a) the upclose & personal xD where u rely on ur gunners & broadsides to the damage = max windcatcher, open fire, take cover, taskmaster, max broadsides, and ur last 2 pts into Tacking or Full Sail or Ram Speed or Come About, tho preferably Ram Speed I guess.
b) the far away method = this u rely on gunners only. you'd nvr be close enough for ur broadsides to ever hit, so the default 1 pt on them is good enough. max windcatcher, open fire, take cover, tacking, full sail, ram speed (not to attack rofl but to catch the ships running away! lolol)

SvS Cannon = max firebrand, fury, thunder, rapid reload, roundshot, barrage, last 2 pts on shoot

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I might add for the normal cutlass that you MUST have one level of Hack to get Slash, and one level of Slash to get Cleave, and so on. You HAVE to have those skills available, so don't skip them, it won't work.
Sorry, but not everyone has this luxury. If ur pirate is very OLD, like created back in 2007/first half of 2008, if u HAVE NEVER retrained yet lolol, these pirates can can have Cleave & Flourish skipped. Most of the older pirates have Cleave & Gouge skipped on Dagger. I only know 2 pirates with Flourish skipped, one of the GM of Icerage's pirates & one of the GM of Coastal Pirates's pirates, not sure if there's anyone else . If ya want proof, hit up the Leaderboards for PvP wins for Top 100 Pirates or whatever, most of the top 100 on the list have skipped blade skills for Cleave & Gouge.

And also, the 1st day that Retraining was released, u could skip skills that day too, they released an update that night, & the next day if u retrained u had to unlock the skills in order now for all new pirates ='(
Some of my friends got skipped skills make me so jealous! lolol Wish Disney would allow us to skip skills again.

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Old 08-23-2010, 12:30 PM
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Brawl deserves a point, because you aren't going to be PvPing a ton of "expert criticizers" in PvP, becausei usually do it with my friends in order to have fun, and a max adder I don't think is worth that extra, slow them down, because I use adder right before i die so they can't have a health recharge, so you can't use determination if an Adder is on you.

Just my opinion....

And yes, I use to PvP a lot back in my days.
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Nice tips everyone. The only thing I'm really gonna comment on is, what people consider to be "cheap" in PvP.

Nothing is really cheap in PvP, because everyone has the option to unlock that skill. I don't really like when people use the dagger skills (it makes me lag for some reason), or a broadsword (requires absolutely no aim, you just have to be near the opponent), but I deal with it. Those that do complain about it, I've noticed that they don't have a problem until they realize they're losing.

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Some ppl think max Hack is like Dagger's asp coz of the slow effect, which some ppl consider cheap too, just a warning.
Every combo for the sword has this effect. People don't really pay attention to that though, simply because hack is the first attack.

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PvP has really changed in the past few years. I used to PvP a lot, however due to the constant complaining (I avoid using "cheap" moves - unless they use them) I've limited myself to just friends. Some of the complaints now are just ridiculous.. someone accused me of "speeding" (after they fixed it), just because I killed them
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:13 AM
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Brawl deserves a point, because you aren't going to be PvPing a ton of "expert criticizers" in PvP
lol aww wasn't trying to come off as a ciriticizer tone, just saying what ppl usually say about it, i dont use any cheap stuff unless ppl do it to me first, but i do gotta say i dislike ppl who got max brawl =O

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Nice tips everyone. The only thing I'm really gonna comment on is, what people consider to be "cheap" in PvP.

Nothing is really cheap in PvP, because everyone has the option to unlock that skill. I don't really like when people use the dagger skills (it makes me lag for some reason), or a broadsword (requires absolutely no aim, you just have to be near the opponent), but I deal with it. Those that do complain about it, I've noticed that they don't have a problem until they realize they're losing.



Every combo for the sword has this effect. People don't really pay attention to that though, simply because hack is the first attack.

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PvP has really changed in the past few years. I used to PvP a lot, however due to the constant complaining (I avoid using "cheap" moves - unless they use them) I've limited myself to just friends. Some of the complaints now are just ridiculous.. someone accused me of "speeding" (after they fixed it), just because I killed them
Yes, ppl who use broadsword in pvp r totally annoying coz they get angry when u urself use broadsword against them *rolls eyes* i remember when at first the only cheap moves were brawl & throw dirt, & then all the sudden having too many pts on asp is considered cheap by some so blah. i'm someone who used to have max asp, but i retrained & now i dont think any of my pirates got more than 1 pt on asp. agreeing to pvp with only cutlass seems to solve most problems with ppl who also complain about fast switching *uber rolls eyes*.

What I meant by the slow effect on attacks is that max hack is like 1 pt on asp coz they both have 6 second slow duration. It isn't noticable when u only have like 3 second slow duration (what 1 pt on any sword attack is), 2 pts on sword is still 3 seconds, isnt until 3 pts on sword then its 4 sec slow, then 4 pts is 5 sec slow, and 5 pts max is 6 sec slow.

I used to pvp a lot, way too much drama (worse than svs's drama i think lolol) even had one pirate in top 100 overall leaderboard for pvp mayhem 2 years ago before all the boards got messed up, even back then ppl were complaining that I was skipping too much *rolls eyes* before speeding was even brought into the game, i've never speeded ever on that game. even when they used brawl on me they still couldnt win rofl
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Well Angel, even if players consider moves, skills and even whole weapons cheap and unfair in PVP, if it has a good setup for it's intended use, the probability of it staying, is 100%. Also, I disagree with Conservation being not needed with max concentration, since while the Flaming Skull's 120 Voodoo doesn't seem to much, in a big fight you could use that a lot, and while concentration would cover that, why not give less to cover?

And on the cutlass, hack or slash aren't ever getting my vote for a second point because of the minute amounts of damage they do, cleave does better than slash and hack when they're all maxed, but not combined. So Hack's slow duration is okay, but chug a swift foot III before PVP to run around and stuff, I don't want to be putting an extra point in hack if the damage goes from 40 to 42.
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Personally, the only thing in PvP I consider cheap is the voodoo doll. It gets very annoying trying to chase the doll coward down trying to break their attunements. Its cowardly, and totally annoying. Thats why I always yell NO DOLLS at the beginning of every PvP I do.

Also, why in the world would you not put a point in a skill? Its handy to have all those skills, never know when that pestilence will come in handy guys.
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Well, the only thing I like about pestilence is it's poison. But really, I'd prefer do have a great finishing kill with Wither than wait a minute for the acid to kill them.
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Hey guys, I need your help. Cannon comes with 28 total SPs (Skill Points) right? If not, tell me so I can change the guide, Also a small bump, but mainly a question.
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Also, the retrain costs:

Idk yet, but when you need 10000 gold to retrain you do it too much xD
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Ah yes, costs! I will add that!
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I might add for the normal cutlass that you MUST have one level of Hack to get Slash, and one level of Slash to get Cleave, and so on. You HAVE to have those skills available, so don't skip them, it won't work.
Sorry, but not everyone has this luxury. If ur pirate is very OLD, like created back in 2007/first half of 2008, if u HAVE NEVER retrained yet lolol, these pirates can can have Cleave & Flourish skipped. Most of the older pirates have Cleave & Gouge skipped on Dagger. I only know 2 pirates with Flourish skipped, one of the GM of Icerage's pirates & one of the GM of Coastal Pirates's pirates, not sure if there's anyone else . If ya want proof, hit up the Leaderboards for PvP wins for Top 100 Pirates or whatever, most of the top 100 on the list have skipped blade skills for Cleave & Gouge.

And also, the 1st day that Retraining was released, u could skip skills that day too, they released an update that night, & the next day if u retrained u had to unlock the skills in order now for all new pirates ='(
Some of my friends got skipped skills make me so jealous! lolol Wish Disney would allow us to skip skills again.
Was looking at the directory earlier, so went ahead & looked up for examples of ppl ik who got Cleave or Flourish or Gouge skipped.
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Hey guys, I need your help. Cannon comes with 28 total SPs (Skill Points) right? If not, tell me so I can change the guide, Also a small bump, but mainly a question.
I thought everything gave 30 pts hence the 30 lvls? + 2 of the starting points so so technically u have 32 pts per weapon.
 

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